• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

I can't argue with what you've said because you believe it, and you believe the philosophy behind it to be right.

I do not.

Personally, I believe it is appropriate that when someone purchases a utility, they invest at least some of their profits/own money into the company in order to make sure it maintains a level of service which serves the public with the best possible efficiency. I know I know, how 'commie' of me eh?! Instead, we have the use of accumulated debt to finance anything of note, while there have been significant dividend payouts to shareholders. I personally believe there is some shared responsibility here, which clearly has not been adhered to. I should note I am referring to Thames Water here.

I find it baffling that you are one of those who appears to feel that immigration control is the one-stop panacea to our social issues with regards to housing, health and education. The truth is there are multiple factors which need adjustment. We live in very aggressive times, both socially and systemically. The middle does not currently exist.
We are splitting hairs here. They are investing their own money into the infrastructure, but it's only enough to keep it going at a more efficient pace.

They didn't buy a utility, they signed an agreement with the government to operate the local public utility infrastructure and operations. The TORs for these agreements are about a quarter of a century old now and about 10 million people out of date.

The point is: they're not making enough money and they don't have a remit over a large enough geographical area to make the strategic changes necessary to cope with demand ss the amount they are able to charge in bills is managed by the government. So the government either needs to allow bills to go up significantly and co-ordinate use of that extra funding nationally. Or more sensibly, it needs to invest government funds in a huge national civil engineering project to modernise our waste water management infrastructure.

If all of the water companies were nationalised tomorrow you'd still have the same problem: you'd have an arms length public body reliant on water bill income to reinvest in infrastructure meaning the investment merely "maintains" and slowly falls further behind demand rather than strategically enhances at the scale necessary.
 
Macron sh** the bed because FN won the European elections and has now dug himself a huge hole.. Seem to remember Farage/UKIP winning every Euro election we used to have and nobody batted an eyelid....he should have just ignored it.

They need to give Melenchon the gig and get some of the centrists to row in behind him
 
Reform isn't strictly a political party

They are a political party. Most political parties are constituted as associations or registered charities or similar. The legal framework the organisation operates under is separate to its registration as a "political party".

Similarly if i take banks, most large banks will be constituted as public limited companies. Some smaller ones as limited companies. The legal constitution of the company is separate from the "banking licence" and prudential authorisation they obtain from the FCA and PRA to operate as a bank.
 
Those companies are not responsible for the infrastructure growth. If the govt wants them to be then they'll need significantly greater margins to create the funds for investment and greater profits to balance the extra risk.
They are...there's a DPC tender process that CAP providers compete for.

Of course, it all ends up as potential bill increases to cover the cost. So the customer pays whichever way you slice it.

The customer would have valid questions though:
1. Bills have increased massively over 10 years. What have these increases been paying for, especially given the situation we find ourselves in.
2. Thames Water started with zero debt and now are £15bn in debt.(80% of the value of the company )How has that happened. Were they not charging enough? Has money been misappropriated (not saying illegally) to owners/investors and away from something that should be considered a priority service in a first world country?.
3. Have we slept walked into this? How clear are the communication channels between the providers-ofwat-goverment on future proofing and big infrastructure projects to remedy the issues. ie is there a joined up plan and a vision of where we want to end up regarding our water supply and treatment?.
 
They are...there's a DPC tender process that CAP providers compete for.

Of course, it all ends up as potential bill increases to cover the cost. So the customer pays whichever way you slice it.

The customer would have valid questions though:
1. Bills have increased massively over 10 years. What have these increases been paying for, especially given the situation we find ourselves in.
2. Thames Water started with zero debt and now are £15bn in debt.(80% of the value of the company )How has that happened. Were they not charging enough? Has money been misappropriated (not saying illegally) to owners/investors and away from something that should be considered a priority service in a first world country?.
3. Have we slept walked into this? How clear are the communication channels between the providers-ofwat-goverment on future proofing and big infrastructure projects to remedy the issues. ie is there a joined up plan and a vision of where we want to end up regarding our water supply and treatment?.
Point 3 is why I am giving the government time.

But it is something they should have been working on in opposition and they will get 2 years from me. By then I want to see a plan layed out.
 
I can't argue with what you've said because you believe it, and you believe the philosophy behind it to be right.

I do not.

Personally, I believe it is appropriate that when someone purchases a utility, they invest at least some of their profits/own money into the company in order to make sure it maintains a level of service which serves the public with the best possible efficiency. I know I know, how 'commie' of me eh?! Instead, we have the use of accumulated debt to finance anything of note, while there have been significant dividend payouts to shareholders. I personally believe there is some shared responsibility here, which clearly has not been adhered to. I should note I am referring to Thames Water here.

I find it baffling that you are one of those who appears to feel that immigration control is the one-stop panacea to our social issues with regards to housing, health and education. The truth is there are multiple factors which need adjustment. We live in very aggressive times, both socially and systemically. The middle does not currently exist.
They didn't buy the utilities, they bought the right to operate them. That's not the same thing.

If they bought the utilities they'd have the right to sell them off in pieces, which they don't.
 
They are...there's a DPC tender process that CAP providers compete for.

Of course, it all ends up as potential bill increases to cover the cost. So the customer pays whichever way you slice it.

The customer would have valid questions though:
1. Bills have increased massively over 10 years. What have these increases been paying for, especially given the situation we find ourselves in.
2. Thames Water started with zero debt and now are £15bn in debt.(80% of the value of the company )How has that happened. Were they not charging enough? Has money been misappropriated (not saying illegally) to owners/investors and away from something that should be considered a priority service in a first world country?.
3. Have we slept walked into this? How clear are the communication channels between the providers-ofwat-goverment on future proofing and big infrastructure projects to remedy the issues. ie is there a joined up plan and a vision of where we want to end up regarding our water supply and treatment?.
That's separate to the agreement to operate the utilities though.

They could just not tender for the projects.
 
They are...there's a DPC tender process that CAP providers compete for.

Of course, it all ends up as potential bill increases to cover the cost. So the customer pays whichever way you slice it.

The customer would have valid questions though:
1. Bills have increased massively over 10 years. What have these increases been paying for, especially given the situation we find ourselves in.
2. Thames Water started with zero debt and now are £15bn in debt.(80% of the value of the company )How has that happened. Were they not charging enough? Has money been misappropriated (not saying illegally) to owners/investors and away from something that should be considered a priority service in a first world country?.
3. Have we slept walked into this? How clear are the communication channels between the providers-ofwat-goverment on future proofing and big infrastructure projects to remedy the issues. ie is there a joined up plan and a vision of where we want to end up regarding our water supply and treatment?.
These are all valid questions. These questions are not confined to this particular issue. Look at the number of local authorities that are effectively bankrupt. You could ask those questions of them also. And this is what I'm saying about public/private. It doesn't actually matter to me whether services are operated by public or private bodies. Across all public services you can find examples of well-run, financially sound, well-resourced and high performing publically run services, whether that's an NHS trust, a particular police force, a local authority or a local state school. On the other hand there are plenty of examples of failing public authorities or bodies, where funds have been mismanaged, buildings are falling apart, and the public are being let down. Likewise, there are privately operated services that fall into both categories. The oversight and consequence management needs to come from.government. And there needs to be a more honest debate in the media about the true root cause of things. For example when there are cries of "the NHS doesn't have enough funding, here in wherever is a hospital that's falling apart, where it takes you 3 hours to be seen, and the trust running it are a year away from bankruptcy....meanwhile the media will ignore the trust next door that is sat on no debt, where all the buildings are recently renovated and where staff are relatively content.....
 
Seen that video, before....

Absolutely brilliant, and so on point...

It's brilliant.

A new one, slightly updated.

That extra verse is so funny. In fact, he's laughing himself as he's singing it....

Particularly loved "Labour shortages in sectors where the pay is s***"
 
Back