Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[scaramanga]

Blair inherited an entirely different situation - a country which was in a much better place financially,

Blair inherited a better situation as the previous governments have been proper conservatives.

The reason this country is so fudged is that it's spent the past 5 or 6 years taxing and spending more than any government since WWII. The worst possible thing to do now is more of the same.

Yet Starmer will do just that.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

The New Britain

So things are getting pretty strange. Polling in Scotland, the UK and Wales in the last few days has shown Great Britain taking a fairly heavy swerve to the right after just five months of Sir Keir…

wingsoverscotland.com

For anyone with a spare 15 mins.
Guys a nut bar but he's right a lot more often than he's wrong.

Thanks for posting that, it's an interesting read.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

We have a big enough majority to get going with things.

It's now like with a football team, some quick adjustments to make as perform better short term while positioning yourself for the long term.

'We' ?

May I ask you and your government sort out (increase) Capital Gains Tax?!

 

[SpiderSpurs]

I think Farage is a real danger come the next election.

If Trump and Musk don't fall out, then Reform will very likely get that £100m 'donation' from Musk.

They are then a huge threat to both Labour and Conservative.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

'We' ?

May I ask you and your government sort out (increase) Capital Gains Tax?!

Voted them as the best worst option.

Capital gains tax increase will put of investors which are the life blood of a dynamic country. It is one of a few mistakes we/they have made.

 

[SkipRat]

So she's been commenting that the trains are worse since Labour got in. She's been constantly saying it ro me. I've actually told her that I'm not sure that can be Labour's fault although I don't think caving to union pay demands without insisting on the changes to operating practices the tories were insisting on was the right thing to do. But she insists the trains are a lot worse now and keeps mentioning that it's since Labour got into power.

The rest of it is literally watching other people such as loose women moan about the government. There is a real danger for Labour that it's an undefinable feeling of "things are worse" and actually it's more dangerous for Labour that people struggle to articulate why but just have a strong sense that Labour have got in and everything is going in the wrong direction immediately and there's a sense of doom and gloom settling in amongst business and everyday people

The reason why that's dangerous is that it's incredibly hard to counter.

Easy to counter:
- Labour are s***
- Why?
- Lists reasons
- Well I can tell you why that's not their fault.

Danger zone for politicians:
- Labour are s***
- Why?
- I don't know they just are

And i think Labour have created this themselves by coming in and telling everyone it's s*** and being massively negative about everything, while putting taxes up and having constant negative media stories about freebies, concerts, holidays; partying at Lord Ali's house and various other shenanigans

Well... Labelling most of the country far right, for having concerns over immigration, doesn't help.

Sentencing people to jail for 2/3 years for saying the murder was of the girls was a terrosits... then he gets put on terrosts charges.

Giving away the Chagos Islands.

Doing nothing in the budget to help those the bottom that need some serious help, instead they only raised money for the government.

Screwing over family farms.

To name but a few. Why hasn't the sewage been sorted? First thing you do when gove gets into power, band sewage dumping. Unlink the cost of electrictity with gas, and end the energy scam.

There is plenty to highlight. Labour have been utterly useless, just the same old shyte, differnt collour.

 

[SkipRat]

If Trump and Musk don't fall out, then Reform will very likely get that £100m 'donation' from Musk.

They are then a huge threat to both Labour and Conservative.

They already are.

They already destroyed the Tory vote, handing labour the seat to power.

Labour didn;t win the election, The Tory got screwed over by reform.

But then the whole electoratal process needs reform. We need proportionate representation. So parliament represents the views of the country more accurately.

Labour have already been smashed a dozen times in by elections already.

MSN

 

[SkipRat]

Voted them as the best worst option.

Capital gains tax increase will put of investors which are the life blood of a dynamic country. It is one of a few mistakes we/they have made.

TBH, sod foreign investment.

Setup a GB bank, that only deals with investments in British business the money circulates within the country.

The problem with investors now, is greed, it is a race to the bottom, maximise personal reaturn over quality of service and goods. It's fecking appaling how utterly shyte everything is today, or you pay extortionate costs.

 

[thfcsteff]

Nothing in that article conflicts with what I'm saying. Loads of water companies are breaking the law, yes. They're also not treating the required amount of sewerage, yes. They're manipulating system flows to divertt sewage away from treatment works, yes. The environmental regulator knows all this. The government know all this. Are they taking action against these unscrupulous fat cats? No.

Why? Because they know they have no choice.

And it isn't the water company's role to invest in the sort of strategic, infrastructure upgrades necessary to resolve the issues. They are outsource providers running a public service for the government on a terms of reference - their required level of investment is "maintenance" and "efficiencies". They're there to keep the thing ticking over based on the existing system.

We didn't expect Avanti West Coast to build HS2 did we?

These fundamental rethinks and modernisation of national infrastructure are the prese5ve of central government and require central government investment and oversight.

This has been a failure of central g9vernment over decades.

This goes back to a key disagreement we appear to have. I believe private ownership should've been investing in upgrades a long time ago. It is clear they didn't. Central government should, indeed, have been making sure such responsibilities were met, matched and aided. That they didn't quite possibly gets us into other areas of discussion which I doubt would do much for your blood pressure!

 

[Gutter Boy]

I think Farage is a read danger come the next election.

People who smoke 40-a-day through their life don't usually see 65.

 

[Gutter Boy]

TBH, sod foreign investment.

Setup a GB bank, that only deals with investments in British business the money circulates within the country.

The problem with investors now, is greed, it is a race to the bottom, maximise personal reaturn over quality of service and goods. It's fecking appaling how utterly shyte everything is today, or you pay extortionate costs.

Count me in. I could get into the whole bleed the plebs dry racket.

 

[Gutter Boy]

If Trump and Musk don't fall out, then Reform will very likely get that £100m 'donation' from Musk.

They are then a huge threat to both Labour and Conservative.

It's illegal for political parties to receive donations from anyone not on the electoral roll

 

[Kompakted]

TBH, sod foreign investment.

Setup a GB bank, that only deals with investments in British business the money circulates within the country.

The problem with investors now, is greed, it is a race to the bottom, maximise personal reaturn over quality of service and goods. It's fecking appaling how utterly shyte everything is today, or you pay extortionate costs.

There is such a bank. It's called "British Business Bank" and it was set up by the government in 2014. It's a state owned investment bank aimed at financial assistance for small British businesses:

https://www.british-business-bank.co.uk/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAmMC6BhA6EiwAdN5iLeQu8kwJTmrZUQFZ5nzNbEQVtliLujcN5wb8UBwjgXugfsueQ8vLFxoCauUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[Glenda's Legs]

It's illegal for political parties to receive donations from anyone not on the electoral roll

Does it make any difference that Reform was set up as a private company? Genuine question, no idea whether that would be a loophole in some way.

 

[Kompakted]

The New Britain

So things are getting pretty strange. Polling in Scotland, the UK and Wales in the last few days has shown Great Britain taking a fairly heavy swerve to the right after just five months of Sir Keir…

wingsoverscotland.com

For anyone with a spare 15 mins.
Guys a nut bar but he's right a lot more often than he's wrong.

Two things ring really true there:
- The "f**k you" vote.
- Trying to create or serve the electorate you want rather than deal with the one you have.

As he alludes to in that very article, no single election campaign and result encapsulated this more than the Brexit referendum.

- The "f**k you" vote grew everytime Cameron, or Carney or some economist was wheeled out to say "poor little pathetic Britain can't survive outside the EU now do what's good for you, you little oiks". I think there came a point in the campaign where they managed to wheel in Barack Obama to say that the US was only interested in doing a trade deal with the EU (actually, they've never really been interested in doing a trade deal with the EU, or pretty much anyone actually). I can't imagine the desperation you would have to be in to invite a foreign leader to give a televised intervention on a constitutional issue and think that was going to go down well, but anyway, there you go. The below excellent YouTube video sums up the feeling....
- The "I'm going to campaign to the electorate i want, rather than the electorate I have". I knew the Remain campaign was f**red when one of their centre pieces seemed to be "the EU gives you the right to live, work and love across 28 different countries" as though they were dealing with a romantic electorate of Belinda Renfrew-Urquharts, who aced two baccalaurettes in foreign languages, and went off to study in Paris.....rather than Harper Smiths,.who get a nose bleed when they have to get the bus to the next town ("because they're all weirdos") and who would only contemplate using a passport to enable throwing up all over a street in a Spanish resort while telling all the locals to f**k off and speak English

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

TBH, sod foreign investment.

Setup a GB bank, that only deals with investments in British business the money circulates within the country.

The problem with investors now, is greed, it is a race to the bottom, maximise personal reaturn over quality of service and goods. It's fecking appaling how utterly shyte everything is today, or you pay extortionate costs.

Tories talked about a sovereign wealth fund, backing start ups out of university that sort of thing.

As far as I'm aware they did fcuk all about it.

 

[Mikey10]

Tories talked about a sovereign wealth fund, backing start ups out of university that sort of thing.

As far as I'm aware they did fcuk all about it.

Wouldn’t have been able to pay Michelle Mone or the landlord of Matt Hanc ock’s local if they’d done that.

 

[Kompakted]

Tories talked about a sovereign wealth fund, backing start ups out of university that sort of thing.

As far as I'm aware they did fcuk all about it.

They didht do fudge all about it, they set up the UK infrastructure bank in 2021, which Labour have subsequently rebranded as the national wealth fund in order to meet their manifesto pledge to establish a national wealth fund by renaming the one that already existed following the election in a classic case of "stealing your rivals best ideas and repackaging them as your own" which is rife in all political areas

 

[SpurMeUp]

People being negative complaining about this government being negative and complaining

The way I see it, this is the first serious government since Cameron. We’ve had a competence hiatus since Brexit. Plus Covid. And people think everything should be sorted in 6 months?

 

[thfcsteff]

TBH, sod foreign investment.

Setup a GB bank, that only deals with investments in British business the money circulates within the country.

The problem with investors now, is greed, it is a race to the bottom, maximise personal reaturn over quality of service and goods. It's fecking appaling how utterly shyte everything is today, or you pay extortionate costs.

This.