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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
richie_spur
Gordon Durie
The biggest issue in politics we have had for the last decade is a complete lack of credible opposition. Regardless of the left/right political split, most folks sit in the centre. Some centre left, some centre right, but centre all the same.
If there had been a good option across the house this government would not have been able to get to where they currently are. I hold both the Tories and Labour accountable for where we are due to a complete lack of talent in both parties.
For every partygate, there has been antisemitism, both have picked clowns to lead them, it's just one seemed more electable as 'a good bloke' than corbyn. I actually think starmer is OK, but the rest of his team are awful, and just disagreeing with the government with no alternative ideas is not holding them to account.
Where the money comes from is also problematic - one lot has shadowy figures looking for favours and gongs and the other has mcclusky directing policy with threats of withdrawing support.
In conclusion, it's all a bit brick really... Still, COYS, eh!
If there had been a good option across the house this government would not have been able to get to where they currently are. I hold both the Tories and Labour accountable for where we are due to a complete lack of talent in both parties.
For every partygate, there has been antisemitism, both have picked clowns to lead them, it's just one seemed more electable as 'a good bloke' than corbyn. I actually think starmer is OK, but the rest of his team are awful, and just disagreeing with the government with no alternative ideas is not holding them to account.
Where the money comes from is also problematic - one lot has shadowy figures looking for favours and gongs and the other has mcclusky directing policy with threats of withdrawing support.
In conclusion, it's all a bit brick really... Still, COYS, eh!
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
What’s your problem with Yvette Cooper, Rachel Reeves and David Lammy? They have the top three shadow cabinet jobs and all of them are respectable centre-leftists.
Agree that union funding is toxic, and has been ever since trade union power has been restricted to public services, often putting Labour on the wrong side of producer interests versus taxpayer and citizen interests.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
However, Labour still managed to bring in the minimum wage, perhaps the greatest social protection achievement of an all-round fantastic administration, in the teeth of furious opposition from a TUC who maintained that guaranteeing fair wages for oppressed workers was their job, thank you very much, and legislative tanks should be withdrawn from their lawn.
Tory governments are worse than Labour ones, and the current one is the worst there has ever been, in any terms you like - morally, intellectually, administratively. The argument that both sides are as bad as each other has never been sustainable, but it’s ludicrous in 2022.
Tory governments are worse than Labour ones, and the current one is the worst there has ever been, in any terms you like - morally, intellectually, administratively. The argument that both sides are as bad as each other has never been sustainable, but it’s ludicrous in 2022.
richie_spur
Gordon Durie
Reeves seems very good, despite as shadow chancellor supporting hs2 although I suspect this is a more constituency-based position rather than ideological.
David Lammy is also OK if a little too prone to controversy for a top job.
I've never really liked Yvette Cooper and she's been rejected by her own party as not for the top job.
There are a number of centre leaning tories who would be good options too.
I get the argument that they are bad as each other isn't great and I was trying to put more of a "I understand the differences and hope for change" rather than "fudge the lot of them".
Although they have never traditionally stood for me (I'm in neither the North or a city) I can at least see a direction for Labour now, but they are still very woolly on specific policy (apart from Tory=bad). The last changes in ruling party have come about as the incumbent has moved to the right (tory) and left (Labour) and the opposition has set themselves as the centre (Blair, then Cameron).
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
Yeah, but the people who decided that “it shouldn’t happen for Yvette” were the same monstrous bunch of tankies and teenyboppers who voted for Corbyn.
I’ve been on the home affairs patch for years, and have never seen her say anything that wasn’t sensible.
...except for when she said "I do"
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
She expertly took apart Priti Nasty's Rwanda plan there in the commons yesterday (or the day before?). Always nice to see their despicable brick being called out.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Yvette Cooper always tears Priti Patel to pieces. If it were a boxing bout it wouldn't be allowed to go ahead, so ill-matched are they. Great entertainment though. Patel has taken to ignoring attempted interventions from Cooper in the Commons so as not to have to answer her questions.
richie_spur
Gordon Durie
Yep, but bear in mind it wasn't MPs that voted in Corbyn and not Cooper, it was the grass roots members. Those 'tankies and teenyboppers' are or, very recently were, the Labour Party.
I do agree with you on Cooper though, she is capable and, as stated further in the thread, regularly shows up Patel (I'm not sure if this is particularly hard though). I didn't say she wasn't, I just don't warm to her. My point was that, even if Starmer has her at the top table, grass roots labour didn't want her.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I can't dance with any of that except Stammer who imo is useless. I have been around a long time but i do not think i have ever seen such a useless bunch of arseholes before. ( on both sides), poltics has been a shambles since the farce we witnessed in the commons over the Brexit vote.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
When is the next general election ?
I'm disappointed in myself sitting the last one out. I wanted to vote for Corbyn who I loved until he flip flopped on brexit.
Voting Labour next time even though I think he will give into those bastards in Brussels.
I'm disappointed in myself sitting the last one out. I wanted to vote for Corbyn who I loved until he flip flopped on brexit.
Voting Labour next time even though I think he will give into those bastards in Brussels.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Schedule is for 2024
After headlines this morning about controlling pay rises.
I wonder if Simon Clarke and the ministers will be rejecting their 2.2k pay rise this year.
This government are leading a race to the bottom and their double standards are scary.
Pretty sure it’s not wages that are driving inflation and have not done for a long time I’d guess keeping a large profit margin is a key driver amongst other things but I’m no economist so could be talking tripe. Not normally one to post in the politics thread but that headline got up my nose this morning.
I wonder if Simon Clarke and the ministers will be rejecting their 2.2k pay rise this year.
This government are leading a race to the bottom and their double standards are scary.
Pretty sure it’s not wages that are driving inflation and have not done for a long time I’d guess keeping a large profit margin is a key driver amongst other things but I’m no economist so could be talking tripe. Not normally one to post in the politics thread but that headline got up my nose this morning.
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Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
Always interesting to see how the rest of the world views us. Britain under Johnson described as ‘a rogue nation’ in The New Yorker’s excellent comment piece this week.
https://flipboard.com/article/the-shameless-farce-of-boris-johnson-s-attempt-to-send-refugees-to-rwanda/f-bb14fc2b03/newyorker.com
https://flipboard.com/article/the-shameless-farce-of-boris-johnson-s-attempt-to-send-refugees-to-rwanda/f-bb14fc2b03/newyorker.com
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supply issues are causing inflation I believe.
wages will increase because there is already shortages of available and willing workers, especially at the bottom end of the wage scale.
This has a knock on effect of causing inflation to increase for another reason- and it kind of spirals - like it did in the 70s here.
so what the government does is discourage businesses and individuals spending by increasing the cost to borrow (interest rates)
this makes having a mortgage or any kind of debt more expensive
anyway you get the picture.
Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
Not wrong (if not exclusively profiteering):
"a careful study of the accounts of the big FTSE-350 companies shows executives are now using this as cover to push up their profit margins – by 73%. Take out energy firms, and the numbers are still huge: over 50%. "
https://www.unitetheunion.org/media...corporate-profiteering-and-the-col-crisis.pdf
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Can the UK afford Brexit now? Until recently I'd been sad about it, but accepting a diverged path was something we should follow. I thought we'd look a laughing stock if we rejoined the EU, and why not explore Brexit now we're here? But with the UK losing circa £800m a week relative to being in, whilst nurses, teachers, carers, and train cleaners have their wages shrunk in real terms to pay for it; can we afford to stay out? I could see us re-joining the single market (but remaining out the EU), which would address many of the major problems.
Meanwhile, non-EU migration to the UK remains high, with around 250,000 people a year coming in. We always have controlled this migration, it has nothing to do with the EU. EU migration is now almost nothing. And we miss having access to our local markets. Why didn't we reduce non-EU migration more, and take charge of EU migration? We could have and we still could.
When you see the issues we are facing with 11% inflation, with those most deserving of pay rises being told to take the hit, you wonder how long we can keep this Brexit charade going.
Meanwhile, non-EU migration to the UK remains high, with around 250,000 people a year coming in. We always have controlled this migration, it has nothing to do with the EU. EU migration is now almost nothing. And we miss having access to our local markets. Why didn't we reduce non-EU migration more, and take charge of EU migration? We could have and we still could.
When you see the issues we are facing with 11% inflation, with those most deserving of pay rises being told to take the hit, you wonder how long we can keep this Brexit charade going.
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