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Grays_1890 said:
Na they are fine.........
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They're not. Net migration is utterly unsustainable. And population growth is pretty much the single root cause of many of the major structural issues this country faces.

And its a huge issue politically also. Just because the focus has shifted onto the hotels doesn't mean that Farage doesn't constantly go on about net migration or that it won't be THE big issue at the next election.

As I've said the BMA in their strike action have highlighted that there are not enough medical training places to cater for the numbers of graduates coming out of medical school. That's because the NHS has repurposed itself to rely on importing already qualified doctors from abroad. This is an example of the Blairite restructuring of the economy to rely on immigration. The so-called "mass-immigration" policy, which Blair now regards as as one of his biggest regrets.

A narrative was developed to go along with this that immigration at scale is necessary for economic growth when this is rubbish. The NHS example is a good one in this regard - importing qualified doctors from India and Poland isn't necessary (theres an increasing queue of disappointing medical graduates having to give up a career in medicine due to being out competing for limited training contracts), it is simply easier and cheaper in the short term. It was a short term fix for NHS resourcing issues allowing Blair to smash waiting lists but created a never ending supply/demand need when the strategic fix should have been to boost training resource allowing more places to be opened up.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
They're not. Net migration is utterly unsustainable. And population growth is pretty much the single root cause of many of the major structural issues this country faces.

And its a huge issue politically also. Just because the focus has shifted onto the hotels doesn't mean that Farage doesn't constantly go on about net migration or that it won't be THE big issue at the next election.

As I've said the BMA in their strike action have highlighted that there are not enough medical training places to cater for the numbers of graduates coming out of medical school. That's because the NHS has repurposed itself to rely on importing already qualified doctors from abroad. This is an example of the Blairite restructuring of the economy to rely on immigration. The so-called "mass-immigration" policy, which Blair now regards as as one of his biggest regrets.

A narrative was developed to go along with this that immigration at scale is necessary for economic growth when this is rubbish. The NHS example is a good one in this regard - importing qualified doctors from India and Poland isn't necessary (theres an increasing queue of disappointing medical graduates having to give up a career in medicine due to being out competing for limited training contracts), it is simply easier and cheaper in the short term. It was a short term fix for NHS resourcing issues allowing Blair to smash waiting lists but created a never ending supply/demand need when the strategic fix should have been to boost training resource allowing more places to be opened up.
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Without a migrant workforce in many industries, many of the UKs economies would fail, despite your anecdotal story about the NHS which has some truth to it, despite strokes being taken.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Without a migrant workforce in many industries, many of the UKs economies would fail, despite your anecdotal story about the NHS which has some truth to it, despite strokes being taken.
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But again that goes back to the UK economy being repurposed to rely on it. Cheap imported labour rather than apprenticeships for British youth. And it is working class British kids of all ethnicities that are having their wage growth flat-line. "If you don't want to do it for that I've got a Polish lad over here that will".

We need a plan to wean British industry off this. The idea that it is necessary is an obvious lie. We coped for decades on net migration in the 1,000s or 10s of thousands. We brought in people that could really add something.

Now as you say we have created (and i do mean created) a situation where youth unemployment is at record highs and we are completely reliant on imported foreign labour. It is an utter failure of the political class of this country going back to Blair and continued by subsequent prime ministers.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
But again that goes back to the UK economy being repurposed to rely on it. Cheap imported labour rather than apprenticeships for British youth. And it is working class British kids of all ethnicities that are having their wage growth flat-line. "If you don't want to do it for that I've got a Polish lad over here that will".

We need a plan to wean British industry off this. The idea that it is necessary is an obvious lie. We coped for decades on net migration in the 1,000s or 10s of thousands. We brought in people that could really add something.

Now as you say we have created (and i do mean created) a situation where youth unemployment is at record highs and we are completely reliant on imported foreign labour. It is an utter failure of the political class of this country going back to Blair and continued by subsequent prime ministers.
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It's not all about cheap labour, I sit on two boards for trade in travel and hospitality and I can tell you now the shortfall in staffing and staff from abroad is as much to do about cultures who see certain industries as a career than it just being about "cheap labour".

I'm talking from General Manager roles down....the British treat certain industries far too transient than many employees prefer
 
Grays_1890 said:
It's not all about cheap labour, I sit on two boards for trade in travel and hospitality and I can tell you now the shortfall in staffing and staff from abroad is as much to do about cultures who see certain industries as a career than it just being about "cheap labour".

I'm talking from General Manager roles down....the British treat certain industries far too transient than many employees prefer
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It is a lot about cheap labour. If you have a perception problem you can go into schools, to career fairs, you can offer internships, apprenticeships. If its a "treatment thing" or a "culture" thing you can change that perception or treatment. Make hospitality a career valued by British school kids and graduates.
 
Baleforce said:
you just know he's got a tin of red paint in the boot of his car

and his wife left him

and he's not allowed to see the kids
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Irony is, he was rated by his old man, yet he wants everyone to believe it's only a certain type.

I think that's where alot of this hate comes from, poor and fragile upbringing, a sense of gloom from childhood.

Many live with a cloud round their head and the only joy they seem to have in life is projecting on others
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
It is a lot about cheap labour. If you have a perception problem you can go into schools, to career fairs, you can offer internships, apprenticeships. If its a "treatment thing" or a "culture" thing you can change that perception or treatment. Make hospitality a career valued by British school kids and graduates.
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It's absolutely not, but alas I know you won't be told on that, so will leave it there.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Irony is, he was rated by his old man, yet he wants everyone to believe it's only a certain type.

I think that's where alot of this hate comes from, poor and fragile upbringing, a sense of gloom from childhood.

Many live with a cloud round their head and the only joy they seem to have in life is projecting on others
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Irony is....aren't you projecting on others in this post? Assumptions make an ASS out of you and me. You should challenge your assumptions. Don't assume why people are the way they are if you don't know them.
 
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