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LutonSpurs said:
It's racism. You present the facts but they move on to another topic. We live a post truth era like none before. And if anything we have lost the desire to verify information as a society. This is incredibly dangerous.

People post stuff here. Essentially publish information that anyone in the world can consume. They pass it off as fact. Somebody somewhere may take it for gospel. That's the "sin".
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Did you write that or did you ask chagbt to write a reply?
 
markysimmo said:
No chance you get a straight answer to this on this message board !!
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We're Judges sent out guidelines to give ethnic people more lenient sentences @markysimmo

This news reporter certainly seems to think so https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdeLHvQ6/ please excuse the platform. But please fill free to disagree that this national news broadcaster has said that our liberal judges have been told to give more lenient sentences to ethnic minorities.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Did you write that or did you ask chagbt to write a reply?
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Did you see the facts I posted that disproved the nonsense you were sharing as fact? You as a white brit are more likely to be a groomer than me. And you wrote numerous posts waffling about the opposite. Have a bit of self respect and address that. Otherwise maybe hide a bit when you have humiliated yourself for the umpteenth time on here.
 
Now let's look at sentencing @Danishfurniturelover

www.gov.uk

Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System, 2022 (HTML)

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According to UK government data, when comparing average custodial sentence lengths (ACSL) by ethnicity, White defendants consistently receive shorter sentences compared to Black, Asian, and Mixed ethnic groups, with White defendants having an ACSL of 19.6 months in 2020, while Black defendants had an ACSL of 26.8 months and Asian defendants 28.6 months; highlighting a disparity in sentencing based on ethnicity.
Key points about UK sentence length by ethnicity:
White defendants have the shortest sentences:
Across most data sets, White defendants consistently receive the shortest average custodial sentences.
Black and Asian defendants tend to receive longer sentences:
Both Black and Asian defendants generally receive longer sentences compared to White defendants.
Mixed ethnicity also shows disparities:
Individuals identifying as Mixed ethnicity also tend to have longer average sentence lengths compared to White defendants.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Now let's look at sentencing @Danishfurniturelover

www.gov.uk

Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System, 2022 (HTML)

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

According to UK government data, when comparing average custodial sentence lengths (ACSL) by ethnicity, White defendants consistently receive shorter sentences compared to Black, Asian, and Mixed ethnic groups, with White defendants having an ACSL of 19.6 months in 2020, while Black defendants had an ACSL of 26.8 months and Asian defendants 28.6 months; highlighting a disparity in sentencing based on ethnicity.
Key points about UK sentence length by ethnicity:
White defendants have the shortest sentences:
Across most data sets, White defendants consistently receive the shortest average custodial sentences.
Black and Asian defendants tend to receive longer sentences:
Both Black and Asian defendants generally receive longer sentences compared to White defendants.
Mixed ethnicity also shows disparities:
Individuals identifying as Mixed ethnicity also tend to have longer average sentence lengths compared to White defendants.
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Oldest story in the book, when you have had everything in your favour forever, even equality feels like oppression.

I’m a white man myself, but can at least appreciate my privilege, and that yes, as demographics go, we are normally the problem majority.
 
The last few pages on here absolutely sum up the disconnect and division that has crept into our politics over the years and created growing anger and resentment. There is a growing thing of making people justify their opinions. People get a kick out of asking people to justify a feeling or a thought and then when people struggle to explain it or justify it, invalidate it. I'm a human. I have thoughts and feelings, that I can't help and actually, do you know what, I don't actually have to justify them to anyone.

Immigration. This whole debate about whether immigrants represent a threat or not, what various statistics do or do not say about immigration.....its all gonads.

For me: there's been too much immigration, too fast. It's not the immigrants. It's me.

I don't feel safe and secure in my own country half the time. I don't want to live amongst loads of people that don't look like me, think like me and that i struggle to communicate with. If I wanted to live somewhere with loads of mosques, women with covered faces, halal butchers, chai shops, I'd have stayed in the middle east (where I was born) or I'd have moved there. If I wanted to live amongst polski sklep shops, euro food stores and what have you, I'd have moved to eastern Europe.

I don't want to have to repeat my order 3 times in Starbucks because the batista can't understand me and I can't understand her. I don't want to end up in the wrong street because my taxi driver couldn't speak English.

I recently had a major operation. First one in my life. First time being put to sleep. I was scared and stressed. I've previously had a horrific experience with a foreign doctor when my kid had a seizure and they couldn't bloody communicate. So when I was sent the list of surgeons all but one was Asian or was white but had a foreign name. I didn't know if they were British Asian or foreign. The white ones with foreign names could have been born here too for all I know but I wasn't going to take the chance. I chose the white guy with the Anglo Saxon name. To feel safe.

Am I racist? I actually don't care. I don't care if you can bring me endless stats showing immigration is a positive. It's meaningless. It's not a positive for me at all. Emotionally. If you want to label me for that then go on. I don't give a f***.

Everyone has tolerance levels of varying degrees. More and more people's tolerance levels are being breached. That much is pretty clear. People have had enough of being told what the right way to think is.

The whole Brexit issue is another encapsulation: "explain why Brexit is a good thing AAAAH you can't, you're just a thick racist".

I don't have to justify voting to leave. I can explain why I did if you want me too but actually "i just don't want to be part of the EU and that's all there is to it" is a valid opinion. Whys it valid? Because I was asked one way or the other by my own government and I gave them.sn answer.

And one of the things increasing numbers of people didn't like about the EU is intertwined with the whole gonads of "you're not allowed to have an identity now." We're all Europeans now and that Italian guy over there has the same rights you do here as we are all Europeans aren't we? And waving a St. George's flag is racist and only thick gammon do that.

Funny because I don't look like the Italian bloke. I don't think like him. I don't eat the same things as him, and i can't speak very well with him. But I've just got to sit here, tolerating feeling less and less comfortable, in my own home. Struggling to communicate with people in my own city, feeling like I belong less and less. Pale, stale and male. Gammon. Thick. Racist.
 
Baleforce said:
Oldest story in the book, when you have had everything in your favour forever, even equality feels like oppression.

I’m a white man myself, but can at least appreciate my privilege, and that yes, as demographics go, we are normally the problem majority.
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Rupert Lowe today laying it on about how hard it is to be a white male in the UK now. Honestly maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't see any of where this stuff comes from. Get head down work hard and keep yourself out of trouble and life is fairly straight forward, most issues come from things that are in no way shape or form because of being white.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
The last few pages on here absolutely sum up the disconnect and division that has crept into our politics over the years and created growing anger and resentment. There is a growing thing of making people justify their opinions. People get a kick out of asking people to justify a feeling or a thought and then when people struggle to explain it or justify it, invalidate it. I'm a human. I have thoughts and feelings, that I can't help and actually, do you know what, I don't actually have to justify them to anyone.

Immigration. This whole debate about whether immigrants represent a threat or not, what various statistics do or do not say about immigration.....its all gonads.

For me: there's been too much immigration, too fast. It's not the immigrants. It's me.

I don't feel safe and secure in my own country half the time. I don't want to live amongst loads of people that don't look like me, think like me and that i struggle to communicate with. If I wanted to live somewhere with loads of mosques, women with covered faces, halal butchers, chai shops, I'd have stayed in the middle east (where I was born) or I'd have moved there. If I wanted to live amongst polski sklep shops, euro food stores and what have you, I'd have moved to eastern Europe.

I don't want to have to repeat my order 3 times in Starbucks because the batista can't understand me and I can't understand her. I don't want to end up in the wrong street because my taxi driver couldn't speak English.

I recently had a major operation. First one in my life. First time being put to sleep. I was scared and stressed. I've previously had a horrific experience with a foreign doctor when my kid had a seizure and they couldn't bloody communicate. So when I was sent the list of surgeons all but one was Asian or was white but had a foreign name. I didn't know if they were British Asian or foreign. The white ones with foreign names could have been born here too for all I know but I wasn't going to take the chance. I chose the white guy with the Anglo Saxon name. To feel safe.

Am I racist? I actually don't care. I don't care if you can bring me endless stats showing immigration is a positive. It's meaningless. It's not a positive for me at all. Emotionally. If you want to label me for that then go on. I don't give a f***.

Everyone has tolerance levels of varying degrees. More and more people's tolerance levels are being breached. That much is pretty clear. People have had enough of being told what the right way to think is.

The whole Brexit issue is another encapsulation: "explain why Brexit is a good thing AAAAH you can't, you're just a thick racist".

I don't have to justify voting to leave. I can explain why I did if you want me too but actually "i just don't want to be part of the EU and that's all there is to it" is a valid opinion. Whys it valid? Because I was asked one way or the other by my own government and I gave them.sn answer.

And one of the things increasing numbers of people didn't like about the EU is intertwined with the whole gonads of "you're not allowed to have an identity now." We're all Europeans now and that Italian guy over there has the same rights you do here as we are all Europeans aren't we? And waving a St. George's flag is racist and only thick gammon do that.

Funny because I don't look like the Italian bloke. I don't think like him. I don't eat the same things as him, and i can't speak very well with him. But I've just got to sit here, tolerating feeling less and less comfortable, in my own home. Struggling to communicate with people in my own city, feeling like I belong less and less. Pale, stale and male. Gammon. Thick. Racist.
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At least there is a massive level of honesty in what you are saying there.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Rupert Lowe today laying it on about how hard it is to be a white male in the UK now. Honestly maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't see any of where this stuff comes from. Get head down work hard and keep yourself out of trouble and life is fairly straight forward, most issues come from things that are in no way shape or form because of being white.
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It’s fudging lunacy, being born white in Britain is like starting 5-0 up.

Now of course, some are born 10-0 up, 15-0 up, but I can only do me.

And like you say, keep your nose clean and life is a piece of tinkle.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
The last few pages on here absolutely sum up the disconnect and division that has crept into our politics over the years and created growing anger and resentment. There is a growing thing of making people justify their opinions. People get a kick out of asking people to justify a feeling or a thought and then when people struggle to explain it or justify it, invalidate it. I'm a human. I have thoughts and feelings, that I can't help and actually, do you know what, I don't actually have to justify them to anyone.

Immigration. This whole debate about whether immigrants represent a threat or not, what various statistics do or do not say about immigration.....its all gonads.

For me: there's been too much immigration, too fast. It's not the immigrants. It's me.

I don't feel safe and secure in my own country half the time. I don't want to live amongst loads of people that don't look like me, think like me and that i struggle to communicate with. If I wanted to live somewhere with loads of mosques, women with covered faces, halal butchers, chai shops, I'd have stayed in the middle east (where I was born) or I'd have moved there. If I wanted to live amongst polski sklep shops, euro food stores and what have you, I'd have moved to eastern Europe.

I don't want to have to repeat my order 3 times in Starbucks because the batista can't understand me and I can't understand her. I don't want to end up in the wrong street because my taxi driver couldn't speak English.

I recently had a major operation. First one in my life. First time being put to sleep. I was scared and stressed. I've previously had a horrific experience with a foreign doctor when my kid had a seizure and they couldn't bloody communicate. So when I was sent the list of surgeons all but one was Asian or was white but had a foreign name. I didn't know if they were British Asian or foreign. The white ones with foreign names could have been born here too for all I know but I wasn't going to take the chance. I chose the white guy with the Anglo Saxon name. To feel safe.

Am I racist? I actually don't care. I don't care if you can bring me endless stats showing immigration is a positive. It's meaningless. It's not a positive for me at all. Emotionally. If you want to label me for that then go on. I don't give a f***.

Everyone has tolerance levels of varying degrees. More and more people's tolerance levels are being breached. That much is pretty clear. People have had enough of being told what the right way to think is.

The whole Brexit issue is another encapsulation: "explain why Brexit is a good thing AAAAH you can't, you're just a thick racist".

I don't have to justify voting to leave. I can explain why I did if you want me too but actually "i just don't want to be part of the EU and that's all there is to it" is a valid opinion. Whys it valid? Because I was asked one way or the other by my own government and I gave them.sn answer.

And one of the things increasing numbers of people didn't like about the EU is intertwined with the whole gonads of "you're not allowed to have an identity now." We're all Europeans now and that Italian guy over there has the same rights you do here as we are all Europeans aren't we? And waving a St. George's flag is racist and only thick gammon do that.

Funny because I don't look like the Italian bloke. I don't think like him. I don't eat the same things as him, and i can't speak very well with him. But I've just got to sit here, tolerating feeling less and less comfortable, in my own home. Struggling to communicate with people in my own city, feeling like I belong less and less. Pale, stale and male. Gammon. Thick. Racist.
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The thing is that this is my country too. Although I'm a brown skinned, Pakistnani Muslim whose first language is not English.

I.dont feel safe here either, especially since the riots last summer.

In the past I've had people not sit next to me on a train (after 7/7).

But I assume it's not safe anywhere. Not because of immigrants or white men. Just coz there are an awful lot of nasty bastads who do bad things of all backgrounds.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The thing is that this is my country too. Although I'm a brown skinned, Pakistnani Muslim whose first language is not English.

I.dont feel safe here either, especially since the riots last summer.

In the past I've had people not sit next to me on a train (after 7/7).

But I assume it's not safe anywhere. Not because of immigrants or white men. Just coz there are an awful lot of nasty bastads who do bad things of all backgrounds.
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Also I'm born and raised in the UK
 
markysimmo said:
No chance you get a straight answer to this on this message board !!
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I'll happily give a straight answer to that question.
I always give straight answers - that's usually the point at which the likes of you two withdraw.

The answer is - that isn't fair.

It's also a blanket statement - point me in the direction of the policies and instances that underpin it and I'll give are even more full answer.
 
LutonSpurs said:
You really watch Tik toks and don't check if the garbage you are consuming is even remotely true lol.

Then come on here and embarrass yourself. It's hilarious
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I know what's true. I was posing a question of marky.

I also know not trust one little bit our liberal governments. If you trust them and can't see what is happening you are embarrassing yourself.

You see it is a matter of perspective.

And once again do you think it is right people who come to the country get housed above people who have been on the waiting list for years. Because I know for an absolute fact that has happened in Brighton and I don't care what documents you put up from "official" sources.

You see when people lie about one thing I can believe they lie about anything.

You have posted links from the BBC and the Guardian, neither are trustworthy sources and both heavily biased.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
The last few pages on here absolutely sum up the disconnect and division that has crept into our politics over the years and created growing anger and resentment. There is a growing thing of making people justify their opinions. People get a kick out of asking people to justify a feeling or a thought and then when people struggle to explain it or justify it, invalidate it. I'm a human. I have thoughts and feelings, that I can't help and actually, do you know what, I don't actually have to justify them to anyone.

Immigration. This whole debate about whether immigrants represent a threat or not, what various statistics do or do not say about immigration.....its all gonads.

For me: there's been too much immigration, too fast. It's not the immigrants. It's me.

I don't feel safe and secure in my own country half the time. I don't want to live amongst loads of people that don't look like me, think like me and that i struggle to communicate with. If I wanted to live somewhere with loads of mosques, women with covered faces, halal butchers, chai shops, I'd have stayed in the middle east (where I was born) or I'd have moved there. If I wanted to live amongst polski sklep shops, euro food stores and what have you, I'd have moved to eastern Europe.

I don't want to have to repeat my order 3 times in Starbucks because the batista can't understand me and I can't understand her. I don't want to end up in the wrong street because my taxi driver couldn't speak English.

I recently had a major operation. First one in my life. First time being put to sleep. I was scared and stressed. I've previously had a horrific experience with a foreign doctor when my kid had a seizure and they couldn't bloody communicate. So when I was sent the list of surgeons all but one was Asian or was white but had a foreign name. I didn't know if they were British Asian or foreign. The white ones with foreign names could have been born here too for all I know but I wasn't going to take the chance. I chose the white guy with the Anglo Saxon name. To feel safe.

Am I racist? I actually don't care. I don't care if you can bring me endless stats showing immigration is a positive. It's meaningless. It's not a positive for me at all. Emotionally. If you want to label me for that then go on. I don't give a f***.

Everyone has tolerance levels of varying degrees. More and more people's tolerance levels are being breached. That much is pretty clear. People have had enough of being told what the right way to think is.

The whole Brexit issue is another encapsulation: "explain why Brexit is a good thing AAAAH you can't, you're just a thick racist".

I don't have to justify voting to leave. I can explain why I did if you want me too but actually "i just don't want to be part of the EU and that's all there is to it" is a valid opinion. Whys it valid? Because I was asked one way or the other by my own government and I gave them.sn answer.

And one of the things increasing numbers of people didn't like about the EU is intertwined with the whole gonads of "you're not allowed to have an identity now." We're all Europeans now and that Italian guy over there has the same rights you do here as we are all Europeans aren't we? And waving a St. George's flag is racist and only thick gammon do that.

Funny because I don't look like the Italian bloke. I don't think like him. I don't eat the same things as him, and i can't speak very well with him. But I've just got to sit here, tolerating feeling less and less comfortable, in my own home. Struggling to communicate with people in my own city, feeling like I belong less and less. Pale, stale and male. Gammon. Thick. Racist.
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That's not new.
Accountability, scrutiny, challenge and critical thought are not new ideas.

What I do think is new is the following polarisation:
- On social media where connections are managed, people operate in an echo chamber
- On media like this (is this social media? I guess so), the opposite is true. There are plenty of people of here that wouldn't be in the same peer group as me, so we get to converse here, and share our opposing views.

If an opinion doesn't stand up to scrutiny, then it needs revision.
Debate of ideas is central to the human condition.
 
LutonSpurs said:
The thing is that this is my country too. Although I'm a brown skinned, Pakistnani Muslim whose first language is not English.

I.dont feel safe here either, especially since the riots last summer.

In the past I've had people not sit next to me on a train (after 7/7).

But I assume it's not safe anywhere. Not because of immigrants or white men. Just coz there are an awful lot of nasty bastads who do bad things of all backgrounds.
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Yes the are plenty who feel unsafe and more so the last few years. Interestingly we have had how many illegal immigrants come in, in the last few years?

The problems they cause then the over the top backlash by the far right has caused problems. So how about the liberal establishment get control of all citizens. All British citizens which you and plenty other Muslims are clearly a part of.
 
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