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Pedro Porro

DubaiSpur said:
That's some French Sporting fan saying it, and it's now been reported by Nico Schira, who is also about as reliable as a rando French Sporting fan.

Wait for the big guns to report it, imo. Lots of time to wring out another 5p with a week's negotiating.
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Or as we ain’t spending money on a winger now we can actually pay the release clause
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Or as we ain’t spending money on a winger now we can actually pay the release clause
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Let's see, mate. I don't think Danjuma was in our plans for the season in general - bit of an opportunistic move that brings in added competition for a flatlining Sonny, which is something few could have foreseen after his Golden Boot season. But I'm doubtful it would have stopped us paying the release clause for Porro if we genuinely were serious, long, long before now. We had 50m lying around from the cash injection, no? Gold mentioned it. And RWB was a position of dire, dire need long before LW.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Let's see, mate. I don't think Danjuma was in our plans for the season in general - bit of an opportunistic move that brings in added competition for a flatlining Sonny, which is something few could have foreseen after his Golden Boot season. But I'm doubtful it would have stopped us paying the release clause for Porro if we genuinely were serious, long, long before now. We had 50m lying around from the cash injection, no? Gold mentioned it. And RWB was a position of dire, dire need long before LW.
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I’ve no idea where or if we have that money
We had the option to take it so you would have to assume we did
I’d argue this season that GK and LW are our yow weakest areas
Son cannot keep the ball and loses it in key areas where we get countered and exposes the LWB and LCB
And Hugo has been horrendous
Their performances have cost us much more than wing back
So maybe fixing at least one of those with a try before you buy option is a good thing
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I’ve no idea where or if we have that money
We had the option to take it so you would have to assume we did
I’d argue this season that GK and LW are our yow weakest areas
Son cannot keep the ball and loses it in key areas where we get countered and exposes the LWB and LCB
And Hugo has been horrendous
Their performances have cost us much more than wing back
So maybe fixing at least one of those with a try before you buy option is a good thing
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I agree. But the point is, we couldn't foresee it heading into 2022/2023 - I doubt anyone could. Sonny had just won the Golden Boot, Lloris had kept a career-high 16 clean sheets (it's crazy, but apparently true).

Both of them collapsing to League One level this quickly was inconceivable. But as soon as the window closed with Djed Spence our only new RWB, tons of folks identified that it would be our problem position, and so it has proven.

So, in my mind, we would have been planning for an RWB as soon as the window closed - and we had one full month with zero club football to plan for it.

It's clear we did nothing in that time, which is why Porro wasn't here, kit pressed and ready to go, on Jan 1. Hence my suggestion that we weren't, and maybe still aren't, serious about paying what it takes to get him, and we should wait for official news if we have indeed decided to pay the release clause four weeks into the window.
 
If we are paying the release clause we better have at least got them to agree to take it in instalments otherwise we have wasted several weeks.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I agree. But the point is, we couldn't foresee it heading into 2022/2023 - I doubt anyone could. Sonny had just won the Golden Boot, Lloris had kept a career-high 16 clean sheets (it's crazy, but apparently true).

Both of them collapsing to League One level this quickly was inconceivable. But as soon as the window closed with Djed Spence our only new RWB, tons of folks identified that it would be our problem position, and so it has proven.

So, in my mind, we would have been planning for an RWB as soon as the window closed - and we had one full month with zero club football to plan for it.

It's clear we did nothing in that time, which is why Porro wasn't here, kit pressed and ready to go, on Jan 1. Hence my suggestion that we weren't, and maybe still aren't, serious about paying what it takes to get him, and we should wait for official news if we have indeed decided to pay the release clause four weeks into the window.
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We should definitely wait for official news.

RWB was a priority, but one of several. I think Paratici has been looking at and trying different deals in this time. Looking not only for the best deal for a RWB, but also what deals could be done that would fit together to strengthen several priority positions at best as we could.

Son and Lloris showing poor form only makes that more complicated.

Sure, we could just shell out for Porro January first. Then figure out what do with other priority positions. That would be a decent strategy. It's not really how Paratici has been operating so far though and other strategies can also be good.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I agree. But the point is, we couldn't foresee it heading into 2022/2023 - I doubt anyone could. Sonny had just won the Golden Boot, Lloris had kept a career-high 16 clean sheets (it's crazy, but apparently true).

Both of them collapsing to League One level this quickly was inconceivable. But as soon as the window closed with Djed Spence our only new RWB, tons of folks identified that it would be our problem position, and so it has proven.

So, in my mind, we would have been planning for an RWB as soon as the window closed - and we had one full month with zero club football to plan for it.

It's clear we did nothing in that time, which is why Porro wasn't here, kit pressed and ready to go, on Jan 1. Hence my suggestion that we weren't, and maybe still aren't, serious about paying what it takes to get him, and we should wait for official news if we have indeed decided to pay the release clause four weeks into the window.
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I agree
So we’re actually using the window to address a problem
 
DubaiSpur said:
Let's see, mate. I don't think Danjuma was in our plans for the season in general - bit of an opportunistic move that brings in added competition for a flatlining Sonny, which is something few could have foreseen after his Golden Boot season. But I'm doubtful it would have stopped us paying the release clause for Porro if we genuinely were serious, long, long before now. We had 50m lying around from the cash injection, no? Gold mentioned it. And RWB was a position of dire, dire need long before LW.
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I agree on opportunistic.

One of the benefits of having a good DoF with a good scouting team around him is that we can have good knowledge about many players and make better opportunistic signings. Kulusevski and Bentancur were both opportunistic to some extent. Had they been in great form they would have cost a lot more.

I don't think Danjuma being this cheap was the difference maker allowing us to pay for Porro. I don't think paying 10-15m for an attacker would have stopped us from signing Porro. I don't think our transfer budget is that rigid.

I hope we're looking at bringing in Danjuma, Porro (or some other RWB) + one more (GK or CB) for example.

Danjuma being this cheap (on loan) could be the difference maker for being able to do more business including Porro.

But impossible to know without knowing what goes on behind closed doors. Danjuma being this cheap giving us more flexibility for other deals seems like a true statement though.
 
Even before you get on to Spence, hard to see us keeping Royal, Doherty and Porro for the rest of the season surely?
 
AdamB said:
Even before you get on to Spence, hard to see us keeping Royal, Doherty and Porro for the rest of the season surely?
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Could see either Royal or Doherty leave if we get a decent offer. If the only option is a loan deal out I could see Conte rather wanting both to stick around if it makes sense with HG numbers.

Doherty is an emergency option at LWB at the very least. Porro would be new to the league and club.

Don't know if anyone would pay up for Emerson or Doherty. Spence out on loan would be my guess. Not sure how the HG numbers stack up now.
 
spasm said:
rumours Spence will be loaned out... 2+2=22
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Someone has to go and he seems to be the least fancied. Needs to do a Rose or Walker and tear it up somewhere else in the prem, would Forest want him back or be bitter he didn't choose them?
 
braineclipse said:
Could see either Royal or Doherty leave if we get a decent offer. If the only option is a loan deal out I could see Conte rather wanting both to stick around if it makes sense with HG numbers.

Doherty is an emergency option at LWB at the very least. Porro would be new to the league and club.

Don't know if anyone would pay up for Emerson or Doherty. Spence out on loan would be my guess. Not sure how the HG numbers stack up now.
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For some reason Doherty seems like an 'Everton' player to me! Royal's last 2 games would have put him in the shop window but I think most of our sales will have to be loan to buy as we are paying decent wages but usually they are dropping down a level or league if they aren't quite good enough for us. I think in the old days one of the reasons we used to get decent fees was because our wage structure was so lean it means the signing club could get an ex Spurs player within their budget
 
braineclipse said:
Could see either Royal or Doherty leave if we get a decent offer. If the only option is a loan deal out I could see Conte rather wanting both to stick around if it makes sense with HG numbers.

Doherty is an emergency option at LWB at the very least. Porro would be new to the league and club.

Don't know if anyone would pay up for Emerson or Doherty. Spence out on loan would be my guess. Not sure how the HG numbers stack up now.
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I would not want to see Royal sold.
 
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