Leeds Spur
Banned
On the backl of the legs, as per procedure
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PC Simon Harwood not guilty
- Thread starter Jurgen the German
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On the backl of the legs, as per procedure
southstand1882
Mitchell Thomas
Playing devils advocate.....
It would be like me hating all Irish people for being terrorists
You've said several times in this thread that there was no baton, that he wasn't hit.
Backtrack fail.
Is it honestly procedure to hit someone on the legs who is posing no threat walking with their hands in their pockets? Genuine question? What Is procedure etc?
Leeds Spur
Banned
In a crowd control situation to subdue someone posing a threat.
I agree he wasn't but it didn't cause his death.
The suggestion of 'a baton was used' makes people think he was hit around the head!!
Leeds Spur
Banned
No mate - I posted a video that didn't show any baton.
So I believe my own eyes.
Now there is another very very grainy image that shows he was his across the legs.
Which is standard procedure in these instances.
The policeman shouldn't have done it though, that's for sure.
Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
Standard procedure for what exactly? Inflicting pain on a lone person, posing absolutely no threat, walking along with his hands in his pockets.....
Leeds Spur
Banned
Yep.
If he had died of head injuries sustained from the fall then there would be more of a case but a heart attack several hours later? I don't think someone should be convicted for that.
He should be punished for excessive force maybe and defo be in trouble on a proffesional level.
He does look like a massive **** though
I don't think that punishment should be administered based on the outcome of the initial act, but on the act itself ie the push in this case rather than the result - which was him dying.
I could push someone over tomorrow and through bad luck would be facing 10 years in jail whilst in another instance i wouldn't have even been charged. Doesn't make sense to me
He should be punished for excessive force maybe and defo be in trouble on a proffesional level.
He does look like a massive **** though
I don't think that punishment should be administered based on the outcome of the initial act, but on the act itself ie the push in this case rather than the result - which was him dying.
I could push someone over tomorrow and through bad luck would be facing 10 years in jail whilst in another instance i wouldn't have even been charged. Doesn't make sense to me
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Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
He collapsed about 20 yards up the road. Not hours later.
Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
Its your job. Cant hack it, dont do it.
I saw 10 hours mentioned earlier but maybe i misread, however i edited in another paragraph before you replied which i think covers my view on that point
Why would you push someone tho? I've never felt the need to push someone walking past me with their hands in their pockets
Leeds Spur
Banned
That's not the scenario here is it?
If I didn't want to get roughed up by police, policing a protest, I would stay away from the area.
I just have no idea why he was mincing around there, within pushing distance of the police, if he wasn't trying to be a nuisance. If he got a shove for his trouble, then it is very sad that it somehow killed him, but it's hard to blame it on a policeman who is working in a difficult environment where the use of physical force is needed at times.
Why was he there at that time? It wasn't like it was all just kicking off was it? He had time to get well away, surely? Why was he so close to the police line? I don't understand.
He worked nearby?
Yes, but wasn't he working for the Standard or something? Couldn't he take a route to avoid the front-line of the police? Couldn't he move? Didn't he know they were doing a protest and made some other sensible arrangements to be away from the area?
I think he didn't need to be there.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
I don't see how that's relevant. He wasn't one of the trouble makers, he was a newspaper vendor.
Could the policeman not tell the difference between someone who comes at him using force or holding a weapon and a defenceless man with his back to him and his hands in his pockets?
The officer in question has a history of violence related incidents. At the very least, he should lose his job and NEVER be allowed to rejoin the force again like he did a few years back. That cannot be argued surely?