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Pakistani Fiddlers

Strangely enough we have gradually cut down on the curries in our family, whereas 15 years ago we only ate curry, now it is around half the time if that. We have alot more European food, blander and easier on the stomach.
 
LutonSpurs said:
Strangely enough we have gradually cut down on the curries in our family, whereas 15 years ago we only ate curry, now it is around half the time if that. We have alot more European food, blander and easier on the stomach.
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LutonSpurs said:
Strangely enough we have gradually cut down on the curries in our family, whereas 15 years ago we only ate curry, now it is around half the time if that. We have alot more European food, blander and easier on the stomach.
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It's the sauces that get a bit heavy. My mates restaurant makes the best Delhi Chicken in the world (imo of course) and that with a paratha and I'm stuffed nowadays, couldn't even contemplate having rice with it, maybe a couple spoonfulls of daal or something and that's it. I like all the modern Indian/Pakastani fine dining popping up. Dryer dishes, with more focused flavours.
 
WookieD said:
It's the sauces that get a bit heavy. My mates restaurant makes the best Delhi Chicken in the world (imo of course) and that with a paratha and I'm stuffed nowadays, couldn't even contemplate having rice with it, maybe a couple spoonfulls of daal or something and that's it. I like all the modern Indian/Pakastani fine dining popping up. Dryer dishes, with more focused flavours.
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Can we be racist if we like Indian/Pakistani food? 8-[
 
id use the term meat loosely if i were you mate

usually get the mixed bread basket anyway, it's the only way
 
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I think we need to send people back to school so that they can learn to read. Those that know me on here know that PC is not something you would label me as.

But there are 2 points. Sheikh made a racist post, no other word for it. If you want to defend it, take legal action. I'm very sure that post goes beyond what anyone else in this thread is discussing. I laid my reasons out as to why I thought it is racist, if someone wants to tell me why it isn't, I'll listen...

And the other point, is a minor point that we aren't treating these guys any differently because they are Asian. There is an insinuation on here that people are denying something. There is a suggestion that this is an Asian problem - yes this technique is, but the overall issue is one that all races have.

It seems if u make any point that isn't full on racist or make a post that doesn't go on about Britain being a soft touch, you are pc.

When we let extremists attack Britain and let them get away with it, that's something to get upset about. When a group of men have been caught and convicted in the same way a White man would... What's the problem? This isn't one of those moments where we need to get upset at double standards.
 
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Golfball said:
I think we need to send people back to school so that they can learn to read. Those that know me on here know that PC is not something you would label me as.

But there are 2 points. Sheikh made a racist post, no other word for it. If you want to defend it, take legal action. I'm very sure that post goes beyond what anyone else in this thread is discussing. I laid my reasons out as to why I thought it is racist, if someone wants to tell me why it isn't, I'll listen...

And the other point, is a minor point that we aren't treating these guys any differently because they are Asian. There is an insinuation on here that people are denying something. There is a suggestion that this is an Asian problem - yes this technique is, but the overall issue is one that all races have.

It seems if u make any point that isn't full on racist or make a post that doesn't go on about Britain being a soft touch, you are pc.

When we let extremists attack Britain and let them get away with it, that's something to get upset about. When a group of men have been caught and convicted in the same way a White man would... What's the problem? This isn't one of those moments where we need to get upset at double standards.
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All these years, and you still haven't worked out that I couldn't give a flying toss what you think :ross:
 
Golfball said:
I think we need to send people back to school so that they can learn to read. Those that know me on here know that PC is not something you would label me as.

But there are 2 points. Sheikh made a racist post, no other word for it. If you want to defend it, take legal action. I'm very sure that post goes beyond what anyone else in this thread is discussing. I laid my reasons out as to why I thought it is racist, if someone wants to tell me why it isn't, I'll listen...

And the other point, is a minor point that we aren't treating these guys any differently because they are Asian. There is an insinuation on here that people are denying something. There is a suggestion that this is an Asian problem - yes this technique is, but the overall issue is one that all races have.

It seems if u make any point that isn't full on racist or make a post that doesn't go on about Britain being a soft touch, you are pc.

When we let extremists attack Britain and let them get away with it, that's something to get upset about. When a group of men have been caught and convicted in the same way a White man would... What's the problem? This isn't one of those moments where we need to get upset at double standards.
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Oh really?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...bout-sex-abuse-in-2002-but-failed-to-act.html

Rochdale grooming trial: police knew about sex abuse in 2002 but failed to act
Police and social workers failed to tackle the issue of Asian men grooming under-age white girls for up to a decade, the Daily Telegraph can reveal.

By Nigel Bunyan10:00PM BST 09 May 2012
The mother of a girl who gave evidence in the trial of nine Asian men convicted of child sex offences has shown this newspaper evidence that suggests the authorities were aware of the abuse as long ago as 2002.
An official report by a sexual health adviser, which was passed on to social workers and police in 2005, detailed the kidnap and *struggle cuddle* of an underage girl in Rochdale, where the gang was operating, but the authorities failed to act.
They have now been accused of ignoring evidence of the rapes because they were frightened of being accused of racism.
The latest development came as the nine members of the gang were jailed for between four and 19 years as a judge told them they treated their victims as "worthless".
Some of the guilty men had tried to claim the police investigation was triggered by racism, as their victims were white, but Judge Gerald Clifton told them the prosecution was triggered by their "lust and greed".

The mother of a victim of an Asian child sex gang has given The Daily Telegraph a copy of an official report that gave social workers and police a harrowing insight into the issue in 2005.
It said to her daughter, Miss F, was "known to be taking drugs and other substances and having sex with Asian men".
The document, written by a sexual health adviser, continues: "(At) 8.30am yesterday three men she did not know took her to a hotel. She presented at the Crisis Intervention Team with love bites and acute abdominal pain.
"She was found accommodation at Night Stop but continued to have abdominal pain and went to A & E. She was escorted away by three Asian men before she was seen. She is now missing.
"(Miss F) is believed to be using substances to the extent that she does not know what she is doing. A couple of days ago, wearing a sari, she was carried across the road by three Asian men.
"She was obviously under the influence of some substance. She has no memory of what happened at the hotel."
Copies of the document were sent to both the social services team at Crossfield Mill, Rochdale, and the town's crisis intervention team, which gives advice to girls on abortions and sexually transmitted diseases.
In the aftermath of Miss F's double *struggle cuddle* her mother gave police and social workers the names and nicknames of more than a dozen men who had abused her.
She later discovered her other two daughters had also become prey to the gang and trafficked around the north-west.
She said: "None of them did anything about it. I'm so, so angry. If they'd acted then, I don't think this whole problem would be so bad.
"They could have arrested people then and brought them to court. That could have saved a lot of other girls from being hurt – including my other two daughters".
In the years that followed, Mrs F's two other daughters were recruited by the gangs.
She claims that over the years both police and social services turned a blind eye to the abuse.
"They knew all about my daughters from late 2002, but they just put it down by my girls being really bad kids.
"A police officer did tell me, and a social worker has told me since, that they're frightened to do anything with the Asians because they might be accused of being racist against them."
The mother went on: “(Girl F) knew a couple of the defendants in the trial at Liverpool but I don’t know whether they abused her too.
“I wanted the three of them to be put into child protection but they wouldn’t do it. I must have called in to social services eight or nine times and phoned them lots of times. They also had lots of referrals from people like the health visitors.
“I think it’s disgusting that they didn’t do anything to help the girl who was attacked first in the trial. They failed her like they failed my girls. They’ve just never learned.
“They keep saying they didn’t know much about it in 2008, but that’s a lie. They knew a lot about it. It’s just that they didn’t act on it.
“My girls told me about lots of other girls who were involved. Social services must have been aware. They’ve been aware since it started happening to my girls, and so have the police”.
Meanwhile the gang of nine men who were convicted on Tuesday of offences relating to five girls aged between 13 and 15 were jailed at Liverpool Crown Court.
Judge Gerald Clifton told them: "All of you treated (the victims) as though they were worthless and beyond any respect.
"One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion.
"Some of you, when arrested, said it was triggered by race.
"That is nonsense. What triggered this prosecution was your lust and greed.
"In some cases those girls were raped callously, viciously and violently."
The man regarded as the ringleader, a 59-year-old who cannot be named for legal reasons, was jailed for a total of 19 years for conspiracy, two counts of *struggle cuddle*, aiding and abetting a *struggle cuddle*, sexual assault and a count of trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation.
The remaining gang members received sentences of between nine and four years.
Rochdale Borough Council declined to comment on the allegation that social workers had been aware of the activities of Asian grooming gangs for nearly a decade.
Cheryl Eastwood, the authority's executive director for Children, Schools and Families, said: "We, along with other agencies working with the young women involved in the recent court case are now aware, with the benefit of hindsight, recent local learning and national safeguarding initiatives, that we missed some opportunities to offer more support and assistance to them in 2008 and 2009."
Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood, who has denied sweeping the issue of Asian sex gangs under the carpet,declined to comment on the Telegraph's revelations.
He would only say: 'There is an ongoing IPCC investigation around the investigation in 2008 and before and it would be inappropriate to comment further."
 
Yossarian said:
Oh really?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...bout-sex-abuse-in-2002-but-failed-to-act.html

Rochdale grooming trial: police knew about sex abuse in 2002 but failed to act
Police and social workers failed to tackle the issue of Asian men grooming under-age white girls for up to a decade, the Daily Telegraph can reveal.

By Nigel Bunyan10:00PM BST 09 May 2012
The mother of a girl who gave evidence in the trial of nine Asian men convicted of child sex offences has shown this newspaper evidence that suggests the authorities were aware of the abuse as long ago as 2002.
An official report by a sexual health adviser, which was passed on to social workers and police in 2005, detailed the kidnap and *struggle cuddle* of an underage girl in Rochdale, where the gang was operating, but the authorities failed to act.
They have now been accused of ignoring evidence of the rapes because they were frightened of being accused of racism.
The latest development came as the nine members of the gang were jailed for between four and 19 years as a judge told them they treated their victims as "worthless".
Some of the guilty men had tried to claim the police investigation was triggered by racism, as their victims were white, but Judge Gerald Clifton told them the prosecution was triggered by their "lust and greed".

The mother of a victim of an Asian child sex gang has given The Daily Telegraph a copy of an official report that gave social workers and police a harrowing insight into the issue in 2005.
It said to her daughter, Miss F, was "known to be taking drugs and other substances and having sex with Asian men".
The document, written by a sexual health adviser, continues: "(At) 8.30am yesterday three men she did not know took her to a hotel. She presented at the Crisis Intervention Team with love bites and acute abdominal pain.
"She was found accommodation at Night Stop but continued to have abdominal pain and went to A & E. She was escorted away by three Asian men before she was seen. She is now missing.
"(Miss F) is believed to be using substances to the extent that she does not know what she is doing. A couple of days ago, wearing a sari, she was carried across the road by three Asian men.
"She was obviously under the influence of some substance. She has no memory of what happened at the hotel."
Copies of the document were sent to both the social services team at Crossfield Mill, Rochdale, and the town's crisis intervention team, which gives advice to girls on abortions and sexually transmitted diseases.
In the aftermath of Miss F's double *struggle cuddle* her mother gave police and social workers the names and nicknames of more than a dozen men who had abused her.
She later discovered her other two daughters had also become prey to the gang and trafficked around the north-west.
She said: "None of them did anything about it. I'm so, so angry. If they'd acted then, I don't think this whole problem would be so bad.
"They could have arrested people then and brought them to court. That could have saved a lot of other girls from being hurt – including my other two daughters".
In the years that followed, Mrs F's two other daughters were recruited by the gangs.
She claims that over the years both police and social services turned a blind eye to the abuse.
"They knew all about my daughters from late 2002, but they just put it down by my girls being really bad kids.
"A police officer did tell me, and a social worker has told me since, that they're frightened to do anything with the Asians because they might be accused of being racist against them."
The mother went on: “(Girl F) knew a couple of the defendants in the trial at Liverpool but I don’t know whether they abused her too.
“I wanted the three of them to be put into child protection but they wouldn’t do it. I must have called in to social services eight or nine times and phoned them lots of times. They also had lots of referrals from people like the health visitors.
“I think it’s disgusting that they didn’t do anything to help the girl who was attacked first in the trial. They failed her like they failed my girls. They’ve just never learned.
“They keep saying they didn’t know much about it in 2008, but that’s a lie. They knew a lot about it. It’s just that they didn’t act on it.
“My girls told me about lots of other girls who were involved. Social services must have been aware. They’ve been aware since it started happening to my girls, and so have the police”.
Meanwhile the gang of nine men who were convicted on Tuesday of offences relating to five girls aged between 13 and 15 were jailed at Liverpool Crown Court.
Judge Gerald Clifton told them: "All of you treated (the victims) as though they were worthless and beyond any respect.
"One of the factors leading to that was the fact that they were not part of your community or religion.
"Some of you, when arrested, said it was triggered by race.
"That is nonsense. What triggered this prosecution was your lust and greed.
"In some cases those girls were raped callously, viciously and violently."
The man regarded as the ringleader, a 59-year-old who cannot be named for legal reasons, was jailed for a total of 19 years for conspiracy, two counts of *struggle cuddle*, aiding and abetting a *struggle cuddle*, sexual assault and a count of trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation.
The remaining gang members received sentences of between nine and four years.
Rochdale Borough Council declined to comment on the allegation that social workers had been aware of the activities of Asian grooming gangs for nearly a decade.
Cheryl Eastwood, the authority's executive director for Children, Schools and Families, said: "We, along with other agencies working with the young women involved in the recent court case are now aware, with the benefit of hindsight, recent local learning and national safeguarding initiatives, that we missed some opportunities to offer more support and assistance to them in 2008 and 2009."
Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood, who has denied sweeping the issue of Asian sex gangs under the carpet,declined to comment on the Telegraph's revelations.
He would only say: 'There is an ongoing IPCC investigation around the investigation in 2008 and before and it would be inappropriate to comment further."
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I wouldn't bother with him mate, as usual - he's just attention seeking.

You always get the odd one who can't live with adult debates.
 
Golfball said:
And the other point, is a minor point that we aren't treating these guys any differently because they are Asian. There is an insinuation on here that people are denying something. There is a suggestion that this is an Asian problem - yes this technique is, but the overall issue is one that all races have.
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But that's just dancing around the issue so as not to offend. If you want to catch paedophiles in Thailand, you target European businessmen, the Thais don't have a problem saying so. Saying "oh well, lots of molestation happens, let's not brand it" doesn't help in the slightest.

This isn't a case of a group of disturbed and abused men who have found each other and now act with a common goal (in the way that people on the net find each other). This is a group of peers, all living in the same area who have been indoctrinated to behave in this way, it's dangerous stuff. Friends and employers and employees. I'd guarentee you that most of them didn't have urges to abuse children before being introduced by somebody else. It is completely different to regular abuse and closer to the bahaviour of Balkan pimps bringing girls to the UK for prostitution.
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
All these years, and you still haven't worked out that I couldn't give a flying toss what you think :ross:
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All these years, and you haven't worked out I'll post what I want, to who I want, no matter how many times you try and get me to stop ripping apart YOUR wum posts. You don't make sense, you post boring long winded rubbish, I rip it apart with reason and rationale. You struggle to reply. For someone who ignores me, you have responded EVERY thread I have replied to you.
 
Golfball said:
All these years, and you haven't worked out I'll post what I want, to who I want, no matter how many times you try and get me to stop ripping apart YOUR wum posts. You don't make sense, you post boring long winded rubbish, I rip it apart with reason and rationale. You struggle to reply. For someone who ignores me, you have responded EVERY thread I have replied to you.
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ZZzzz...
 
WookieD said:
But that's just dancing around the issue so as not to offend. If you want to catch paedophiles in Thailand, you target European businessmen, the Thais don't have a problem saying so. Saying "oh well, lots of molestation happens, let's not brand it" doesn't help in the slightest.

This isn't a case of a group of disturbed and abused men who have found each other and now act with a common goal (in the way that people on the net find each other). This is a group of peers, all living in the same area who have been indoctrinated to behave in this way, it's dangerous stuff. Friends and employers and employees. I'd guarentee you that most of them didn't have urges to abuse children before being introduced by somebody else. It is completely different to regular abuse and closer to the bahaviour of Balkan pimps bringing girls to the UK for prostitution.
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Yes. My first post today explains the points I have made in this post. I don't think this relates to any, but it's a fair post apart from the opening line.
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
I wouldn't bother with him mate, as usual - he's just attention seeking.

You always get the odd one who can't live with adult debates.
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Yes, always the odd one. They tend to say things like "I'm not talking to you anymore" and post big Z's.

Defend your post or leave the thread...
 
Yossarian - that story was not the subject of debate in this thread. Had someone posted that to discuss, I would give a view probably similar to yours. However, my points are clear and based on what was being said in this thread.
 
Golfball said:
Yes. My first post today explains the points I have made in this post. I don't think this relates to any, but it's a fair post apart from the opening line.
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Not really, your entire arguement through this thread has been that abuse is abuse and that culture or social aspects should be avoided. This isn't the case as clearly these girls have been targetted not because they are a safer option, but because they deserve to be targetted.
 
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