Haha. I don't particularly care either way I just think walking off will make it worse as the culprits will be lapping it up that's all. I don't know the solution!
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(OT) Ac Milan Walk Off Field Vs Pro Patria (Racist chants) (Kevin Prince Boateng)
- Thread starter Reggie_Mentalist
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Haha. I don't particularly care either way I just think walking off will make it worse as the culprits will be lapping it up that's all. I don't know the solution!
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Football Weekly lads joking that Blatter is making Berlusconi look like the sane normal one (paraphrasing). Says a lot.
Blatter is right that there's a need for education, but a football game is hardly the time or place for that. Quick seminar before the game? Some light reading on the topic of racism on each seat? Should take some fudging responsibility instead of making the issue worse.
Also said on FW that during Lazio - Cagliari game when part of the Lazio dingdongheads started some racist chants most of the rest of the Lazio fans booed them. That's something and the kind of thing I imagine most normal fans would do if they knew there was a real chance of the players walking off and the game being called off if the racist stuff didn't stop.
Blatter is right that there's a need for education, but a football game is hardly the time or place for that. Quick seminar before the game? Some light reading on the topic of racism on each seat? Should take some fudging responsibility instead of making the issue worse.
Also said on FW that during Lazio - Cagliari game when part of the Lazio dingdongheads started some racist chants most of the rest of the Lazio fans booed them. That's something and the kind of thing I imagine most normal fans would do if they knew there was a real chance of the players walking off and the game being called off if the racist stuff didn't stop.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Walking off is a last resort. Imagine if Spurs were 3-1 up at Old Trafford in the 86th minute, then their fans started racially abusing our players, who walked off and forfeited the game?
It would be much better to pick up the ball, stand still, talk to the ref and point out the culprits to the stewards and police until they are escorted out, and then carry on.
It would be much better to pick up the ball, stand still, talk to the ref and point out the culprits to the stewards and police until they are escorted out, and then carry on.
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
I do see it sets a precedent. What if....
a bunch of West Ham fans get seats at a Spurs game and racially abuse a player
or
a player lies and claims a racial chant (or even misinterprets one)
or
a player/official objects to a non-racial but offensive chant eg Campbell, Wenger
However, looking at this case alone I think it was justified. Boating is pushing for UEFA to do more and when you look at Serbia, Lazio,Chelsea right back to Luiz Aragones calling Thierry Henry a monkey, and you see how impotent UEFA and FIFA are all in this you can see why players are taking action themselves.
Most fans are decent people and I would say that this empowers them to take action, either to challenge them or if they don't feel safe, report them to the police/club. That's what I'd do if I saw something similar at WHL.
a bunch of West Ham fans get seats at a Spurs game and racially abuse a player
or
a player lies and claims a racial chant (or even misinterprets one)
or
a player/official objects to a non-racial but offensive chant eg Campbell, Wenger
However, looking at this case alone I think it was justified. Boating is pushing for UEFA to do more and when you look at Serbia, Lazio,Chelsea right back to Luiz Aragones calling Thierry Henry a monkey, and you see how impotent UEFA and FIFA are all in this you can see why players are taking action themselves.
Most fans are decent people and I would say that this empowers them to take action, either to challenge them or if they don't feel safe, report them to the police/club. That's what I'd do if I saw something similar at WHL.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Whilst a better idea, it's not entirely feasible.
How long will it take to point out the culprits? I doubt they will be dumb enough to continue singing when the stewards have wandered up and are trying to see who it is. Then as soon as the game starts again they will just start doing it again..
Bullet
Andy Thompson
But there would be 50 stewards and police cameramen watching them by that point
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
Police still have a job to do and should be upholding the law, even during a football match. I would demand that the referee speaks to the lead officer and make damned sure it was obvious what was going on.
chicken_badge
Gudni Bergsson
That's another thing, digital video cameras are so cheap I don't see why every section of a modern stadium can't be CCTVd
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Where are you going to get these extra stewards from?
Are you just going to have them sitting around in the tea room waiting for anyone to be racially abused?
You can't just drag them away from where they are stewarding, they are there for 'safety reasons'..
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Sorry Roy, this is nothing against you, but the above comment made me..
:ross: :ross:
Sepp Blatter is a clown. I agree that players can't simply start walking off all the time, in which case they should get booked. But Boateng has only increased the global profile of an issue that is rising up the agenda in spite, not because of FIFA.
Now it is up to FIFA to reform the rules around racism. Then they would be justified to ask players not to leave the pitch, but in the face of complete and utter inaction by this bunch of tossers, if it requires more players leaving the pitch in competitive matches then so be it. There are some things that are bigger than football.
Now it is up to FIFA to reform the rules around racism. Then they would be justified to ask players not to leave the pitch, but in the face of complete and utter inaction by this bunch of tossers, if it requires more players leaving the pitch in competitive matches then so be it. There are some things that are bigger than football.
Me too lol it's all good.
jts1882
Dean Richards
I read somewhere that Boateng had said something to the referee three times before he walked off.
In some respects, Blatter has a point, it would be chaos if players walked off every time the heard or thought they heard (Chelsea v Clattenburg) a racist insult. But in typical Blatter style he misses the main point and the opportunity for positive reform. Racism is the main problem, not the disruption to matches due to players walking off, and this incident could be used as a reason to give the referee additional powers to suspend and call off the game, with players told to report such incidents to the officials. Then the referee could suspend the game, allowing an opportunity for police to eject offenders and then the officials could consult with managers about continuing the game. If the games got stopped there might be some self-policing by the fans if they felt the game would be suspended.
In some respects, Blatter has a point, it would be chaos if players walked off every time the heard or thought they heard (Chelsea v Clattenburg) a racist insult. But in typical Blatter style he misses the main point and the opportunity for positive reform. Racism is the main problem, not the disruption to matches due to players walking off, and this incident could be used as a reason to give the referee additional powers to suspend and call off the game, with players told to report such incidents to the officials. Then the referee could suspend the game, allowing an opportunity for police to eject offenders and then the officials could consult with managers about continuing the game. If the games got stopped there might be some self-policing by the fans if they felt the game would be suspended.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Good post. This is the key point for me. Unless the fans have something to lose, so to speak, then this behaviour will continue. If a bunch of racist fans repeatedly caused games to be suspended then the behaviour would quickly disappear. Other fans would not stand for it. You won't cure society's ills by doing this but it might take it away from the football pitch at least.
And there's plenty of technology that could be employed to backup claims of racism or indeed refute them. It's the will power from the top that is missing. The sooner that fossil Blatter is gone the better, though it will probably one of the other good old boys in the seat then.
Papercut
Jermaine Jenas
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Muntari walks off and gets a ban can't make it up
jts1882
Dean Richards
People too obsessed with rules and lacking common sense.
If Muntari pressed the referee after being told he would not stop the match, a booking for dissent is within the rules. If a player walks off the pitch without permission that is also a booking offence, so the red card follows. A red card results in a ban. Once started it all follows according to the rules. It's quite possible that there is no provision to reverse the ban on appeal as the rules tend to describe what criteria can be applied.
The referee needs to show some common sense at the start and be less concerned about his authority (not a common trait among football referees). He could explain that he can't stop the match and even be apologetic about. What he doesn't need to do is book Muntari, even if it is within his rights. Then if he walks off it is just a yellow and no ban is necessary.
If Muntari pressed the referee after being told he would not stop the match, a booking for dissent is within the rules. If a player walks off the pitch without permission that is also a booking offence, so the red card follows. A red card results in a ban. Once started it all follows according to the rules. It's quite possible that there is no provision to reverse the ban on appeal as the rules tend to describe what criteria can be applied.
The referee needs to show some common sense at the start and be less concerned about his authority (not a common trait among football referees). He could explain that he can't stop the match and even be apologetic about. What he doesn't need to do is book Muntari, even if it is within his rights. Then if he walks off it is just a yellow and no ban is necessary.