This is the most incredible piece of knee-jerk on here, and there is some competition! Firstly, I love the claim that one of knows what is in Poch's head and thats only marginally surpassed by teh suggestion that Poch wouldnt do something which he thought was right for the team. Incredible....
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This is the most incredible piece of knee-jerk on here, and there is some competition! Firstly, I love the claim that one of knows what is in Poch's head and thats only marginally surpassed by teh suggestion that Poch wouldnt do something which he thought was right for the team. Incredible....
And what was the score with what they did? We have better defenders than West Ham and so I’d think we were more likely to get something from playing the same way than they are....
If we hadnt left someone unmarked from a corner then we'd have got to the hour mark 0-0, which against them is a success and it might have been very different. Fine margins etc. Today's game was, in my mind, a bonus and i never expected to get anything out of it - next 4 games are far more important
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
We have covered losses too in previous seasons. This season has caught us in a perfect storm of long term injuries just coming back and others being out long term. We cannot cope and we cannot build momentum.
Mangala has improved massively under Guardiola. He was brilliant on one on one's today. They also had fernandinho holding well, breaking up play, our Victor Wanyama.
I don't disagree with Tripper not being up to it. I said it at the start of the season we shouldn't have sold Walker, because Aurier, as good as he can be, is not the answer yet. He is too reckless.
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Robbo
Paul Walsh
Well there's no doubt about that loss, we were thoroughly outplayed for most of the match. City really is an impressive team this season, and I have no doubt they will win the league. Possibly undefeated too.
Would be interesting to see how Pochettino's Spurs would fare against this team if we too had unlimited funds. Somehow I don't think the game would be that one sided.
That said, kudos to City for a great performance. Money well spent.
I do however think we would've been more of a threat to them with a fully fit Wanyama and Alderweireld playing. Winks had an absolute mare, and we sorely missed Toby's leadership at the back. We didn't threaten them much at all going forward, but with a stronger defensive unit I think we could've been braver and more adventurous in attack.
Our passing was woeful at times though. Key passes went astray, good shooting opportunities ended up in row Z and our movement was simply not good enough. Dele, Eriksen, Kane and Son were mostly poor. Rose was fired up, and did some good stuff, but still looks rusty. Same for Dembele, but I think him, Hugo and Vertonghen were the least bad players. Trippier and Dier at times pretty ok too.
On another note; I used to think De Bruyne was a great player and a decent fella, but I don’t know where I got that last bit from. He's such a penis. From the inaginary card waving after a perfectly ordinary foul in the fourth minute, to the dirty tackles and constant complaints to the ref...well, he is still great, but I certainly lost all respect for him today. Thunderclam.
Oh well. Most difficult game of the season over. This isn't where top four is decided. Give me a fully fit and firing side when we face them on Wembley, and I think we'll cause them more problems than they like.
...unless, of course, they spend big again in January, and fill their bench with more multimillion pound superstars than we can possibly match. Which is the centre of their winning formula after all.
Would be interesting to see how Pochettino's Spurs would fare against this team if we too had unlimited funds. Somehow I don't think the game would be that one sided.
That said, kudos to City for a great performance. Money well spent.
I do however think we would've been more of a threat to them with a fully fit Wanyama and Alderweireld playing. Winks had an absolute mare, and we sorely missed Toby's leadership at the back. We didn't threaten them much at all going forward, but with a stronger defensive unit I think we could've been braver and more adventurous in attack.
Our passing was woeful at times though. Key passes went astray, good shooting opportunities ended up in row Z and our movement was simply not good enough. Dele, Eriksen, Kane and Son were mostly poor. Rose was fired up, and did some good stuff, but still looks rusty. Same for Dembele, but I think him, Hugo and Vertonghen were the least bad players. Trippier and Dier at times pretty ok too.
On another note; I used to think De Bruyne was a great player and a decent fella, but I don’t know where I got that last bit from. He's such a penis. From the inaginary card waving after a perfectly ordinary foul in the fourth minute, to the dirty tackles and constant complaints to the ref...well, he is still great, but I certainly lost all respect for him today. Thunderclam.
Oh well. Most difficult game of the season over. This isn't where top four is decided. Give me a fully fit and firing side when we face them on Wembley, and I think we'll cause them more problems than they like.
...unless, of course, they spend big again in January, and fill their bench with more multimillion pound superstars than we can possibly match. Which is the centre of their winning formula after all.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
So what? They all lost. Can we be better? sure. We are not having a great season so far. But I believe we have mitigating factors which I have already outlined. We need to build some momentum which just seems very difficult at the moment. Bloody Hell you make football management out to be so easy.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
I have already said we did not give a good account of ourselves today. But surely it is fair to put some perspective into the loss.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Worst player by a country mile was Dembele, he is totally done and needs to be replaced in January
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
You're not getting my point, or maybe I'm not putting it across well enough. Mangala has been improved by Guardiola, but not individually - I would argue he is the same player, but that the tactics around him are making him a lot better. He isn't left exposed, he can go into challenges confident that Otamendi, Walker, De Bruyne et all will drop back to help, he can focus on the positive bits of his game (his physicality, more or less) over his shortcomings because Guardiola tailors his tactics to his weaknesses.
I'm not sure how to tailor our tactics to the weakness of Dier and Verts losing half a brain each when Toby isn't around, but Poch hasn't been able to do that in any significant way this season - not at all. And if they had Fernandinho while we are lacking Wanyama, we had Rose while they are lacking *any* left back at all - it is at least as much of a tactical weakness on their part. But Guardiola worked around it expertly, while Poch hasn't been able to do so. This wasn't their best eleven against our weakest eleven, it was two depleted elevens but with one tactically sound and able to cover for their weaknesses, while the other floundered and looked utterly brainless.
I said it too. Trippier is not Walker. We would be weaker for his sale, and so it is proving. But Aurier is better than Trippier - and much more suited to days like today, when our wing-backs are required to defend huge stretches of space by themselves. Trippier is *useless* in that situation - not quick enough to get forward or get back, not physical enough to even face Sane, never mind the rest of their team, and not technical enough to evade their press, *despite* his skill on the ball. He is useless. That was clear at half time. Poch knew this. He changed nothing.
Aurier *would have* done much, much better. If your hypothetical is that he would have given away a pen, I still would take that over giving away three goals in *total* down the right-hand side.
So what? Christ, we imploded entirely due to a tactical disaster and the response is 'well, the other teams lost too.' Yes, but they weren't embarassed like we were - sent packing like we were, made to look like bumbling fools like we were.
It would *absolutely* have been that easy to prevent this by fixing the yawning problem down our right, which any and *every* fool could see throughout the game.
Yes they lost but they didn’t get thumped like we did. We are a better defensive unit than those teams, we would be harder break down than those teams. To come and play as we did so open against a team who press better and play better football is just suicidal. It didn’t look like we adapted our plans at all from what a standard PL fixture would be and against that City team is criminal....
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Isn't it Poch's job to revive the jaded squad?
Give Poch £1B and I bet my house he'd win the league in style too.
In fact, given what they've spent since they turned on cheat mode, City should be winning the league every season by 10+ points. They should also be winning at least one cup and be in the final 4 of the CL every season.
Anything less would be a big failure.
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
It's great to have mind-readers on this board to help us lesser humans make sense of things that we don't fully understand.
Sell all the squad and start again from scratch?!? Wow! The reaction on here keeps getting better....
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Genuinely mate I think we were hamstrung today by the players unavailable. No sanchez no Alderweireld meant we could not play 3 at the back as we did against Madrid. Dier is not good enough in a back 4. No wanyama to protect the back 4, Rose's form is not up to what it has been previous to his injury, I believe Poch thought the best tactic would be to take the game to City. It's just they were so good and we were not good enough. Seriously don't think Aurier was the difference today.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
You're welcome.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Come on mate there is no need for that. You are a good enough poster to debate rather than resort to Sarcasm.
I didn't expect much from the game, more hope than expectation, but we were still disappointing. Giving them such an easy start from the corner just set the tone.
I didn't think any of our players were awful all game except Dembele -- his performance was borderline cowardly imo, he really did nothing to try and get hold of the midfield, or drive forward with the ball, or protect the back four... it felt like he was hiding. Really disappointed with him. Winks struggled too, but a player of his inexperience should be getting a bit more help from the senior partner.
None of our players played particularly well, Rose and Vertonghen were among the better ones and even they weren't that great. Eriksen scored a nice goal.
Overall, the game doesn't change a lot. We're still miles behind City, we're still playing for a top 4 spot. Hopefully, the next time we play them we have more fit defensive players and try to make a proper go of playing them on the counter attack, more like we did when we played Liverpool.
Let's have a good response away to Burnley.
I didn't think any of our players were awful all game except Dembele -- his performance was borderline cowardly imo, he really did nothing to try and get hold of the midfield, or drive forward with the ball, or protect the back four... it felt like he was hiding. Really disappointed with him. Winks struggled too, but a player of his inexperience should be getting a bit more help from the senior partner.
None of our players played particularly well, Rose and Vertonghen were among the better ones and even they weren't that great. Eriksen scored a nice goal.
Overall, the game doesn't change a lot. We're still miles behind City, we're still playing for a top 4 spot. Hopefully, the next time we play them we have more fit defensive players and try to make a proper go of playing them on the counter attack, more like we did when we played Liverpool.
Let's have a good response away to Burnley.