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***OMT: Tottenham Hotspur vs. Fulham *** Sunday, December 1, 1:30 pm UK

Having seen the post game press conference, Ange is very much aware of the workload of the players, and wanting to manage that in the best possible way with our significant number of injuries, but I get the impression that he kind of overestimate them and how much they are capable of.
But he's fully aware, and tries to shuffle it around with the limitations we have.
Given the circumstances, we will have games like today, and we're still in a decent position.
We just need to get through this period now as best as possible, and hope for some of the players returning soon.

A bit of luck would come in handy now. We haven't had much in that department so far this season!
 
Batspur said:
Only time we came close was when we had the new Jimmy greaves. And only our chairman would allow him to leave.

Levy is a clam. The most useless clam ever to have control of our club.

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I'm not a Daniel fanboy but Kane wanted out Levy stopped him going to city but couldn't stop him going to Bayern. It was Kane who decided to leave
As for the worst chairman/owner I give you scholar who nearly sent us to the wall. Sugar was another failure. Levy isn't even close to being as bad as those two
 
thfcsteff said:
I did not understand his subs today.

I don't disagree, but the two main denominators with Sonny in both seasons is that he does not have Kane and he is being asked to play a game which is not his best use. Add his streaky spells (he is in the middle of one for me, missed a sitter Thursday and a pretty easy for him 1st min chance today) and he is not enjoying life (I also maintain a belief that the stuff with his Dad and the school back home has been enormously impactful...)
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Honestly Steff, I'd love to have some excuses for him as to why it's not happening - he's one of my all time favourite Spurs players. But he's lost his yard of pace, that has nothing to do with Kane or his dad and that was one of his main attributes - he was electric. Hes simply at that age, he's been operating at the highest level for a long time and he's just on that downwards trajectory now....
 
Chrissivad said:
And only got them due to gray getting injured.

What I am wondering is, were we resting Solanke today even if he was healthy?

Or did we change our plan once he turned up ill?

If we set up to play this game with Solanke up top, and then he isn't available, wouldn't Lankshear or Kulusevski be the natural replacements?
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I think Solanke was starting if not ill. Then either Son or Werner on the left. Kulusevski was almost certainly being rested no matter what given that he didn't even start when Solanke was ill.

Lankshear was the obvious replacement, but obviously not trusted yet in these circumstances at least.
thfcsteff said:
I did not understand his subs today.

I don't disagree, but the two main denominators with Sonny in both seasons is that he does not have Kane and he is being asked to play a game which is not his best use. Add his streaky spells (he is in the middle of one for me, missed a sitter Thursday and a pretty easy for him 1st min chance today) and he is not enjoying life (I also maintain a belief that the stuff with his Dad and the school back home has been enormously impactful...)
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We've been trying to give Son rest as much as possible this season. Not playing and not even travelling to some EL games this season.

He is on a downwards slope, as should be expected, but he's still good when looking fresh. This was not fresh Son and he didn't look good.
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The only thing I can say about the Werner sub is that the guy seems to twang a muscle regularly and maybe only has X mins in his legs.

We have no idea what the data is saying, and I am sure Ange has half an eye on Bournemouth.
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Not that long ago Werner was out with an injury for a bit? I'm assuming it was fitness related. If it wasn't keeping Son on the pitch and subbing Werner instead of Son seems a strange one to me.

Not sure what's happening with Spence... To me that's the really strange one for this game. Could see keeping Porro on as long as it was 11 vs 11, we were without Romero and struggled a bit with our passing. But not so sure after the red.
 
As was pointed out on the pod a lot of the core of our team missing with Vicario, Romero, VdV, Kulusevski and Solanke. Bentancur/Bissouma pretty even so won't include that one. But then also missing options in Richarlison, Bentancur, Odobert, Moore. And as a result of a lack of options recently quite a few players looking some way off their best.

I guess the good news is that we managed to make it a somewhat hard fought draw instead of a loss. That's been an issue earlier this season.
 
DubSpur said:
So we had that last year when finishing 5th and Villa had it as well when finishing 4th?
Saudi Sportswashing Machine had it the year before that when finishing top 4?
You don't need two elite players per position, very few do. If you have that you are fighting for the league.
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If a manager can only succeed (finish top 4 lol) with elite players and two per position somethings not right - poor excuse that. What happened to managers who could make their teams greater than the sum of their parts?
 
billyiddo said:
If a manager can only succeed (finish top 4 lol) with elite players and two per position somethings not right - poor excuse that. What happened to managers who could make their teams greater than the sum of their parts?
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Fully agreed on not needing two elite players per position. No one has that.

I think Ange can make a team greater than the sum of the parts. It doesn't take elite players, but it takes the right ingredients.

A Werner - Son - Johnson front line is not that. That's not to blame Ange for starting that way because we really had very limited options. More a statement of the shortcomings in our squad.

Last season it was said that we couldn't manage with 1-2 starters missing. I think that was a bit overstated, but definitely something to it. This season we can't really manage with 5 starters missing when also missing some of the option players and running on fumes a bit.

Progress, but still frustrating.
 
Kandi1977 said:
Having seen the post game press conference, Ange is very much aware of the workload of the players, and wanting to manage that in the best possible way with our significant number of injuries, but I get the impression that he kind of overestimate them and how much they are capable of.
But he's fully aware, and tries to shuffle it around with the limitations we have.
Given the circumstances, we will have games like today, and we're still in a decent position.
We just need to get through this period now as best as possible, and hope for some of the players returning soon.

A bit of luck would come in handy now. We haven't had much in that department so far this season!
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Fully agreed. Thought even Sarr lacked a bit of his usual intensity. Still worked hard, still ran a lot, definitely not criticising the lad. Just thought he didn't quite have the same level of intensity he has at his best.

Really hope Solanke and Romero come back quickly. Even Moore coming back could be useful imo.
 
braineclipse said:
As was pointed out on the pod a lot of the core of our team missing with Vicario, Romero, VdV, Kulusevski and Solanke. Bentancur/Bissouma pretty even so won't include that one. But then also missing options in Richarlison, Bentancur, Odobert, Moore. And as a result of a lack of options recently quite a few players looking some way off their best.
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Second season in a row we’ve been decimated by injuries. The demands the system places on the players may be playing its part.
 
Mikey10 said:
Second season in a row we’ve been decimated by injuries. The demands the system places on the players may be playing its part.
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Probably a factor.

Biggest factor imo is that we're still building a squad over time so we're short on options.

Not sure how many of our current injuries are typical "too much demand" injuries. Solanke (illness), Romero (impact injury I think), Richarlison and Odobert aren't I think. And VdV may unfortunately be one of those really quick players who will struggle a bit with muscle injuries.
 
billyiddo said:
If a manager can only succeed (finish top 4 lol) with elite players and two per position somethings not right - poor excuse that. What happened to managers who could make their teams greater than the sum of their parts?
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You've taken my observation out of context. I clearly said I believe that due to the toll too much football is taking on players (and their health), you need two elite (to the system) players per position. Our injuries tell you the story.
 
Mrs Vert said:
In which case if he starts Porro again....I really will have no idea what that man is thinking.
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He is then thinking his back ups are t good enough I’d assume
And then I’d be questioning his sanity as a leader personally
No fan is gonna argue that the back ups are as good as the starters but the drop off with broken starter is much worse than playing a fit back up (if all of that makes sense)
 
DubSpur said:
So we had that last year when finishing 5th and Villa had it as well when finishing 4th?
Saudi Sportswashing Machine had it the year before that when finishing top 4?
You don't need two elite players per position, very few do. If you have that you are fighting for the league.
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I think that was more to do with our early run and getting more the rub of the green.
Can't mention other teams as don't watch them as closely. But the 2 teams you mention and us, are now in a similar position this season in the league. It's not sustainable and when we were consistent....we didn't push on with purchases. (Been done to death, so will just leave it :) )
 
braineclipse said:
As was pointed out on the pod a lot of the core of our team missing with Vicario, Romero, VdV, Kulusevski and Solanke. Bentancur/Bissouma pretty even so won't include that one. But then also missing options in Richarlison, Bentancur, Odobert, Moore. And as a result of a lack of options recently quite a few players looking some way off their best.

I guess the good news is that we managed to make it a somewhat hard fought draw instead of a loss. That's been an issue earlier this season.
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What pod do you listen to?
 
billyiddo said:
If a manager can only succeed (finish top 4 lol) with elite players and two per position somethings not right - poor excuse that. What happened to managers who could make their teams greater than the sum of their parts?
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What is the common factor with successful teams, and why do they win?

Oh, right! They have the best players and best squads! If you manage to win the league without a great squad, it's called luck (Leicester City). To be at the top and challenge consistently, you need a great squad, a good mamanger, good coaches etc. It's the combined sum of everything that makes successful teams successful.
 
braineclipse said:
Fully agreed. Thought even Sarr lacked a bit of his usual intensity. Still worked hard, still ran a lot, definitely not criticising the lad. Just thought he didn't quite have the same level of intensity he has at his best.

Really hope Solanke and Romero come back quickly. Even Moore coming back could be useful imo.
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Always good to get players back and have fit options, but I don’t think we have missed Romero at all, or VDV to be honest, we seem to be making fewer mistakes with Davies and Dragu.
 
Mrs Vert said:
I think that was more to do with our early run and getting more the rub of the green.
Can't mention other teams as don't watch them as closely. But the 2 teams you mention and us, are now in a similar position this season in the league. It's not sustainable and when we were consistent....we didn't push on with purchases. (Been done to death, so will just leave it :) )
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We didn't get the rub of the green, we were decimated by injuries last year. Brighton are in with a good chance of 5th, do they have 2 elite players per position?
 
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