thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
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I have us getting 8 points
I have them getting 6 points
I have us staying up on goal difference
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***OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v Wolverhampton Wanderers, Molineux, Sat 25th April, 3pm - ***
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I have us getting 8 points
I have them getting 6 points
I have us staying up on goal difference
We are Tottenham
Mido
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
We are Tottenham
Mido
To think we had two of Madrids finest players in Modric and Bale...why do we give away our best players..it could have all been different....
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
Oh I'll speak for myself.
I'm still here.
He absolutely fudged us this season.
He was also let down by the hierarchy (the ONE area of sympathy he has had from me consistently is that he had to deal with the Levy-getting-booted stuff which would've been very destabilizing).
Let's see where we go from here, occasion may lift the players to get the results needed but there's a real lack of quality in this squad, that has been on display all season across 3 different managers. If it weren't for the early season bounce we'd likely be rooted to the bottom of the table and no one could argue with that going by the level of performances our players have put in.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Nayim
It's obvious the players are lacking confidence but it's more worrying the lack of character many have shown, they are all top professional and I've not seen many looking like they care.
Mikey10
Paul Walsh
Carlsberg don’t do relegation battles, but if they did…
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
...a bounce which was created by our data-driven hierarchy suggesting winning the Europa League was not worth anything other than ripping it up and starting again; we will always disagree on this of course.
I feel sorry for Frank in the sense he was never the man (or type of project man) who should've been managing us IMO.
I think where we do agree is that it will take a special series of actions to see us escape.
The injury list has been absolute madness.
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
I think this is where managers earn their corn. Most of those players have no clue what this is about. I give DeZerbi full credit for getting the gritty tune out of them. I think some have shown a lack of 'awareness' for sure. be interesting to see if we agree on who those players are.
Frank had been taking down for months, the downward trajectory started with him and it wasn't for just a few games. He was sacked after not winning a game in our last nine Premier League games.
If you don't think not winning for such a period of time doesn't impact the players confidence I'm not sure what to say. But whatever, anyone suggesting he was more likely to keep us up is living in dreamland. Hes not the sole reason we are where we are at all, but he's a fudging good part of it....
Gazza Dazzla
Les Ferdinand
Also “their” like it’s us v them, pathetic IMO.
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
Unfortunately, this was also a common approach last season in driving a divide between fans around Postecoglu.
I also saw it during the Poch era during the 2019/2020 season.
In defence of this 'approach' I don't think it's personal more than just another way of expressing extreme general frustration at a series of evenrts and decisions over the years which have led us to this point.
thfcsteff
Sonny Walters
I jokingly started an 'injury bingo' chat in a couple of my WhatsApp groups. Oh dear.
With hindsight i think whoever would have started this season as manager ultimately would have been sacked with us in a similar position. Be that Ange staying or a different manager having been appointed instead of Frank. I didn't see anything today or in the previous two games that really gives me any confidence - some huff & puff but absoloutely no quality in the same areas that have been raised all season.
mudshark
Simon Davies
Legs 11?
Bedfordspurs
Bert Smith
Nah he had a season loan
Id gladly be wrong though because he is our best striker
Personally I think we would have been a little better with Ange as the players are more geared to his style (if he could actually keep VDV and Romero fit, something Frank should get credit for).
But regardless, West Ham were on a run of no win in ten and looked poor against us and very lucky to win that game. But that was the start of their form turning, a win can change everything.
It's unrealistic to expect Tudor or RDZ to come in and just get everything up and running from the get go when they have been so used to losing and confidence at an extreme low ebb. Using it as evidence that we couldn't do no better than Frank is reaching - Frank had a whole pre season working with these players. It can take a while to coach them out of the previous regime, it took Nuno a good 6 weeks or more before he began to turn things at West Ham and I fear this was our fatal mistake in not getting in De Zebri a month or so before we did.....
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