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***OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v Wolverhampton Wanderers, Molineux, Sat 25th April, 3pm - ***

Spurs:

Villa away
win
Leeds home
win
Chelsea away
point
Everton home
point
Six points?

West Ham:

Brentford away
point
Arse home
defeat
Saudi Sportswashing Machine away
point
Leeds home
win
5 points?

That still leaves us 1 point behind them. This will go down to the wire.

I have us getting 8 points
I have them getting 6 points
I have us staying up on goal difference
 
Spurs luck. Leeds, Nottingham F and West Ham play like they Real Madrid at end of the season. Saudi Sportswashing Machine (NU.FC) need to be serious or they will end up late "contenders"
To think we had two of Madrids finest players in Modric and Bale...why do we give away our best players..it could have all been different....
 
Frank was what 1 point a game on average?

We are definitely worse post-Frank. What happened to all those that thought Frank was holding us back?

Oh I'll speak for myself.
I'm still here.
He absolutely fudged us this season.
He was also let down by the hierarchy (the ONE area of sympathy he has had from me consistently is that he had to deal with the Levy-getting-booted stuff which would've been very destabilizing).
 
He did.
He was fudging awful.
Fact.

Let's see where we go from here, occasion may lift the players to get the results needed but there's a real lack of quality in this squad, that has been on display all season across 3 different managers. If it weren't for the early season bounce we'd likely be rooted to the bottom of the table and no one could argue with that going by the level of performances our players have put in.
 
Spurs
Villa A 1pt
Leeds H 3pt
Chelsee A 3pt
Everton H 3pts
10pts = 44pts

West Ham
Brentford A 1pt
Woolwich H 1pt
Saudi Sportswashing Machine A 3pt
Leeds H 3pt
8pts = 44pts

Leeds
Burnley H 3pts
Spurs A 0pts
Brighton H 1pt
West Ham A 0pts
4pts = 44pts

West Ham down on GD

Carlsberg don’t do relegation battles, but if they did…
 
Let's see where we go from here, occasion may lift the players to get the results needed but there's a real lack of quality in this squad, that has been on display all season across 3 different managers. If it weren't for the early season bounce we'd likely be rooted to the bottom of the table and no one could argue with that going by the level of performances our players have put in.

...a bounce which was created by our data-driven hierarchy suggesting winning the Europa League was not worth anything other than ripping it up and starting again; we will always disagree on this of course.
I feel sorry for Frank in the sense he was never the man (or type of project man) who should've been managing us IMO.
I think where we do agree is that it will take a special series of actions to see us escape.
The injury list has been absolute madness.
 
It's obvious the players are lacking confidence but it's more worrying the lack of character many have shown, they are all top professional and I've not seen many looking like they care.

I think this is where managers earn their corn. Most of those players have no clue what this is about. I give DeZerbi full credit for getting the gritty tune out of them. I think some have shown a lack of 'awareness' for sure. be interesting to see if we agree on who those players are.
 
He killed the players confidence is their new angle
Frank had been taking down for months, the downward trajectory started with him and it wasn't for just a few games. He was sacked after not winning a game in our last nine Premier League games.

If you don't think not winning for such a period of time doesn't impact the players confidence I'm not sure what to say. But whatever, anyone suggesting he was more likely to keep us up is living in dreamland. Hes not the sole reason we are where we are at all, but he's a fudging good part of it....
 
Also “their” like it’s us v them, pathetic IMO.

Unfortunately, this was also a common approach last season in driving a divide between fans around Postecoglu.
I also saw it during the Poch era during the 2019/2020 season.

In defence of this 'approach' I don't think it's personal more than just another way of expressing extreme general frustration at a series of evenrts and decisions over the years which have led us to this point.
 
Frank had been taking down for months, the downward trajectory started with him and it wasn't for just a few games. He was sacked after not winning a game in our last nine Premier League games.

If you don't think not winning for such a period of time doesn't impact the players confidence I'm not sure what to say. But whatever, anyone suggesting he was more likely to keep us up is living in dreamland. Hes not the sole reason we are where we are at all, but he's a fudging good part of it....

With hindsight i think whoever would have started this season as manager ultimately would have been sacked with us in a similar position. Be that Ange staying or a different manager having been appointed instead of Frank. I didn't see anything today or in the previous two games that really gives me any confidence - some huff & puff but absoloutely no quality in the same areas that have been raised all season.
 
With hindsight i think whoever would have started this season as manager ultimately would have been sacked with us in a similar position. Be that Ange staying or a different manager having been appointed instead of Frank. I didn't see anything today or in the previous two games that really gives me any confidence - sone huff & puff but absoloutely no quality in the same areas that have been raised since day one.
Personally I think we would have been a little better with Ange as the players are more geared to his style (if he could actually keep VDV and Romero fit, something Frank should get credit for).

But regardless, West Ham were on a run of no win in ten and looked poor against us and very lucky to win that game. But that was the start of their form turning, a win can change everything.

It's unrealistic to expect Tudor or RDZ to come in and just get everything up and running from the get go when they have been so used to losing and confidence at an extreme low ebb. Using it as evidence that we couldn't do no better than Frank is reaching - Frank had a whole pre season working with these players. It can take a while to coach them out of the previous regime, it took Nuno a good 6 weeks or more before he began to turn things at West Ham and I fear this was our fatal mistake in not getting in De Zebri a month or so before we did.....
 
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