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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool ***

paxtonwolf said:
Going to be interesting to hear what the deluded scousers at work have to say on Monday morning. Really really wanted us to snatch a winner in stoppage time

No doubt they will be, incorrrectly, bragging about derailing out title hopes
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Think bigger, their performance today against a title challenging side proves they can go on and win the league, the European Cup and the World Series.
 
galeforce said:
Think bigger, their performance today against a title challenging side proves they can go on and win the league, the European Cup and the World Series.
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There is no reasoning with them though.

In one breath we are nothing special and they cant understand why we above them, let alone 2nd, and then next they are saying a win against us would prove they will be title contenders next season.
Either we are mediocre side or a top side, make your f#ckin minds up!
 
paxtonwolf said:
There is no reasoning with them though.

In one breath we are nothing special and they cant understand why we above them, let alone 2nd, and then next they are saying a win against us would prove they will be title contenders next season.
Either we are mediocre side or a top side, make your f#ckin minds up!
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Orwellian double think, they excel at it.
 
paxtonwolf said:
When you browse other forums, it is amazing how many sets of fans hate us and would love to see Leciester win it and would detest it if we did it. Suicidal in some cases.

The fact alone that Piers Morgan has threatened to leave the country if we win the title should see half of England wanting us to pip Leciester
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I can understand their feeling, a lot of our fans are arrogant s****
 
The Guardian's match report had a pertinent line (imo), where it pointed out that, frustrating though this game may have been, two draws (and two fairly evenly-matched draws at that) shared between two gegenpressing sides is a likely indicator that they're simply very evenly matched in terms of quality and tactics.

They're not wrong when they believe they can get up to our level: in my view, they pretty much already are what we were last season, with defensive lapses like the ones we regularly had last year keeping them from enjoying a similar season to ours under Klopp. In time, they'll improve like we did.

But they are very, very wrong to think that they're *better* than us in any significant way. We're evenly matched, a dead heat. And given that we've largely stuck to balancing the books while they've spent bucketloads over the last few seasons, where we'll be next year when (hopefully) we get CL football and can spend a bit more on more quality additions will be interesting to witness.
 
DubaiSpur said:
The Guardian's match report had a pertinent line (imo), where it pointed out that, frustrating though this game may have been, two draws (and two fairly evenly-matched draws at that) shared between two gegenpressing sides is a likely indicator that they're simply very evenly matched in terms of quality and tactics.

They're not wrong when they believe they can get up to our level: in my view, they pretty much already are what we were last season, with defensive lapses like the ones we regularly had last year keeping them from enjoying a similar season to ours under Klopp. In time, they'll improve like we did.

But they are very, very wrong to think that they're *better* than us in any significant way. We're evenly matched, a dead heat. And given that we've largely stuck to balancing the books while they've spent bucketloads over the last few seasons, where we'll be next year when (hopefully) we get CL football and can spend a bit more on more quality additions will be interesting to witness.
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Interesting because on the radio collymoore said that the difference was the back 4 and Keeper... That's half a side and I don't think one of their starters other than Coutinho gets in our side

Llalana worked hard. Never noticed Henderson or Milner

Always a concern when Coutinho has the ball
 
thfcsteff said:
Armchair, mate, call it as YOU see it absolutely, but many many many would say we absolutely did NOT 'bottle it' but perhaps lacked the cutting edge to put the chances we created away. Worst for me was Son failing to play the first time ball back to a wideopen Eriksen 7 yards from goal. Still, we did not lose, good point given all the variables...IMO!!!!
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Son is taking a lot of flak here and not all of it any way justified. He was unlucky in a lot of what he did, it just didn't come off for him today unfortunately. It is certainly true that he fluffed his lines but some of the criticism on here is just plain ridiculous. He made a lot of terrific runs and was clear in the fist half if Kane had chosen to pass rather than shoot. He was as extremely unfortunate that his finish while stretching was just the wrong side of the post, after a brilliant run in behind . He would have been clear in the early stages if Walker had not over hit an easy through ball AND he set up Eriksen early doors with a great ball which Eriken first hit straight at Mignolet and then struck the bar.

He was so close to having a great game but nothing he did proved decisive. Small margins and all that. He will come good. Compare him in his first season for us to Lamela in his first season. Factor in his injury and the fact he hasn't been given a run in the side nor has had a pre-season with Poch.

Get off Son's back and give him the same leeway as we gave Lamela over two seasons.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Interesting because on the radio collymoore said that the difference was the back 4 and Keeper... That's half a side and I don't think one of their starters other than Coutinho gets in our side

Llalana worked hard. Never noticed Henderson or Milner

Always a concern when Coutinho has the ball
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Well, when you're close enough to be negligibly different in most areas, then I think you'd automatically prefer your own players to that of the opponent's, because of simple bias (and having seen them in action more consistently). :) Personally, I think switching out Dembele for Henderson (who I thought was everywhere) and Eriksen for Lallana wouldn't change much, since they're all on about the same level: Coutinho would be a definite upgrade for us over, say, Son (based on his performance, that is), but equally, Toby would be an upgrade for them over Sakho. It's a perspective thing, I think.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Well, when you're close enough to be negligibly different in most areas, then I think you'd automatically prefer your own players to that of the opponent's, because of simple bias (and having seen them in action more consistently). :) Personally, I think switching out Dembele for Henderson (who I thought was everywhere) and Eriksen for Lallana wouldn't change much, since they're all on about the same level: Coutinho would be a definite upgrade for us over, say, Son (based on his performance, that is), but equally, Toby would be an upgrade for them over Sakho. It's a perspective thing, I think.
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Dembele for me was the best player on the pitch comfortably he had 2 on him at all times and lost it maybe twice

Henderson is busy but that isn't enough for me
 
DubaiSpur said:
Well, when you're close enough to be negligibly different in most areas, then I think you'd automatically prefer your own players to that of the opponent's, because of simple bias (and having seen them in action more consistently). :) Personally, I think switching out Dembele for Henderson (who I thought was everywhere) and Eriksen for Lallana wouldn't change much, since they're all on about the same level: Coutinho would be a definite upgrade for us over, say, Son (based on his performance, that is), but equally, Toby would be an upgrade for them over Sakho. It's a perspective thing, I think.
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That Henderson and Dembele comment is completely baffling to me!
 
Its funny that people seem to suggest that Liverpool are currently just behind us in their development and next year when they bring in Klopp's players they'll be sorted and up and challenging. The assumption (implicitly, as least) is that we have now somehow reached our glass ceiling: after two full seasons at the helm Poch has finished his work we are where we are. We will be buying players in the Summer on a much more solid foundation than Liverpool and looking to add to an almost title winning squad ahead of a Champions League campaign.

Why will our development be stunted? Why will we not continue to improve and keep them at arms length?

Also, this luck with injuries tag is annoying me. Njie has missed virtually the whole season, and was one of only a clutch of Summer signings. Based on his first team performances to date, Onomah is not yet ready; whilst Pritchard also had his entire season ravaged by injury. Every time we are struggling to create or need a goal, i look to the bench and think 'hmmm, we lack a bit of pace and guile in the attacking third'. Why might that be? Because two of our wingers have been injured all season, leaving us with just 4 real options where we would have had 6. I remember Brain Eclipse making a point about Son being Kane's understudy, and now I think maybe he's right. He's definitely got goals in him; i thought he wasn't right for that role based on Kiessling being the main man at Leverkusen, and I can't remember who it was at HSV (Rudnevs maybe), with Son playing off them.

But actually it makes sense to think we were going to go into the season with Son backing up Kane (a player who had scored 10+ goals in each of the last 3 Bundesliga seasons), with the forward options in behind being Alli, Lamela, Eriksen, Chadli, Pritchard and Njie. Makes sense: nice balance and variety. But losing two to injury for the entire season has disrupted that somewhat, and resulted in the likes of Onomah being called upon well before their time.

Nonetheless, the media's main pre-occupation with Tottenham appears to be getting Poch and Kane through the door at Old Trafford.
 
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Armchair Expert said:
Its funny that people seem to suggest that Liverpool are currently just behind us in their development and next year when they bring in Klopp's players they'll be sorted and up and challenging. The assumption (implicitly, as least) is that we have now somehow reached our glass ceiling: after two full seasons at the helm Poch has finished his work we are where we are. We will be buying players in the Summer on a much more solid foundation than Liverpool and looking to add to an almost title winning squad ahead of a Champions League campaign.

Why will our development be stunted? Why will we not continue to improve and keep them at arms length?

Also, this luck with injuries tag is annoying me. Njie has missed virtually the whole season, and was one of only a clutch of Summer signings. Based on his first team performances to date, Onomah is not yet ready; whilst Pritchard also had his entire season ravaged by injury. Every time we are struggling to create or need a goal, i look to the bench and think 'hmmm, we luck a bit of pace and guile in the attacking third'. Why might that be? Because two of our wingers have been injured all season, leaving us with just 4 real options where we would have had 6. I remember Brain Eclipse making a point about Son being Kane's understudy, and now I think maybe he's right. He's definitely got goals in him; i thought he wasn't right for that role based on Kiessling being the main man at Leverkusen, and I can't remember who it was at HSV (Rudnevs maybe), with Son playing off them.

But actually it makes sense to think we were going to go into the season with Son backing up Kane (a player who had scored 10+ goals in each of the last 3 Bundesliga seasons), with the forward options in behind being Alli, Lamela, Eriksen, Chadli, Pritchard and Njie. Makes sense: nice balance and variety. But losing two to injury for the entire season has disrupted that someone, and resulted in the likes of Onomah being called upon well before their time.

Nonetheless, the media's main pre-occupation with Tottenham appears to be getting Poch and Kane through the door at Old Trafford.
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Well said. Also fed up of this narrative of Spurs and Leicester will never get this chance again. I understand they mean that others wont fail so spectacularly as this season, but why rule out Spurs and Leicester who have been so impressive for a whole season? I think we all know what fantastic health the club is in.
 
Can't help but feel really deflated even though it's a good result. I just honestly felt we could beat Liverpool today. Got to keep going, who knows anything could happen tomorrow.
 
diego_maradona said:
Well said. Also fed up of this narrative of Spurs and Leicester will never get this chance again. I understand they mean that others wont fail so spectacularly as this season, but why rule out Spurs and Leicester who have been so impressive for a whole season? I think we all know what fantastic health the club is in.
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That annoys me too actually. In this regard it seems like we are held in the same category as Leicester. No mention that we have been finishing top 5 or 6 for the best part of a decade now, and have finished top 4 twice in the past 6 seasons. We've been regulars in European competitions and have reached cup finals and semi finals. I don't think that it takes an extreme mind-warping esotericism to fathom that we might move up two places in the league one year.

Also, its funny how Chelsea, Man Utd et al. are seen as certs to be back amongst it next year. Man Utd, for example are par for the course this year since Fergie retired. If they do challenge for the league next year it would be bucking the post-Fergie trend and would be a surprise. Certainly to myself. They are going to have to go some to suddenly be better than us next year. All their fans talk about is signing Poch, Kane, Alli, Dier, Lloris to replace DdG. If thats not admitting that we are well ahead of them currently then I'm not sure what is.

As for Chelsea - christ knows how deep the problems run. For a start, it looks at the moment that they will have no strikers of note going into pre-season, no stable centre backs, an ageing right back and a right footed left back, with non-plussed midfielders who (apart from an in form Fabregas) probably wouldn't get into our side anyway. Emirates Marketing Project's dad's army is also going to have to go some to convince me that we need to be quaking in our boots next season.

fudge 'em all.
 
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