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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v AFC Bournemouth ***

Generally speaking I think Spurs fans do get behind the team. When they see their efforts getting behind the team going to waste most home games now they make think 'why bother?
Been 'Ange in' all the way but even I'm starting to have serious doubts about him and his project, some of the football bar the odd game here and there has been pretty dire.
I don't think Spurs fans are particularly good in the stadium tbh, win or lose save for special games. The atmosphere has constantly been poor on a good day to toxic on a bad day for a good few years now, compare that to some other clubs fans support whether their team are doing well or not and it's night and day. Just my opinion from what I've seen, I'm not dismissing any fans on here who constantly go and support the team well - just the collective....
 
It’s what always gets thrown at Ange
Hasn’t done it in a big league
The 'it' as far as I understood it was managed in what's perceived as a top league, against the best tacticians who have the top players and had results that are par for the course or have his team slightly punching.

I have never read or heard anyone saying that Pep, Klopp or Carlo are the only options.
 
The 'it' as far as I understood it was managed in what's perceived as a top league, against the best tacticians who have the top players and had results that are par for the course or have his team slightly punching.

I have never read or heard anyone saying that Pep, Klopp or Carlo are the only options.

Yep
 
I don't think Spurs fans are particularly good in the stadium tbh, win or lose save for special games. The atmosphere has constantly been poor on a good day to toxic on a bad day for a good few years now, compare that to some other clubs fans support whether their team are doing well or not and it's night and day. Just my opinion from what I've seen, I'm not dismissing any fans on here who constantly go and support the team well - just the collective....

Don't really agree as a season ticket holder (South Stand) don't know where you sit. Before the game the fans are behind the team, usually about 20 mins when nothing is happening the athmosphere does die down though. 2nd half we usually come out fast and the crowd picks up again, and inbetween we do try lift the team.

What does stand out for me though is that as a crowd we're a bit 'lower league' now though. Cause of how bad the performances are, we're celebrating winning throw ins in the opponents final third etc. I feel the crowd are trying to get behind the team but they are giving us very little back. I did here Ange get booed for the first time, last game though, when he left on Johnson and took off someone else.
 
Don't really agree as a season ticket holder (South Stand) don't know where you sit. Before the game the fans are behind the team, usually about 20 mins when nothing is happening the athmosphere does die down though. 2nd half we usually come out fast and the crowd picks up again, and inbetween we do try lift the team.

What does stand out for me though is that as a crowd we're a bit 'lower league' now though. Cause of how bad the performances are, we're celebrating winning throw ins in the opponents final third etc. I feel the crowd are trying to get behind the team but they are giving us very little back. I did here Ange get booed for the first time, last game though, when he left on Johnson and took off someone else.
Yeah fully expected disagreement tbh, I sit all over as not a ST holder but I've spoke to various others who say the same as me. Kind of my point, there are other teams who try and get behind their team when they are struggling but we just never do that. We as a collective seem to have the attitude of 'you are here to entertain us, if you don't then we aren't going to get behind you.'

I appreciate it can be a chicken and egg thing, support is better if we are playing better etc but having gone to games of various other teams for me we are one of the worst. Just my opinion, as a ST holder you have more say then me...
 
Who has been hounded out? It can't be Ange as he's still here!

It’s laughable that anyone could use the term ‘hounded out’ about a manager who has, despite more than a year of presiding over poor football and largely terrible results, hardly had a murmur of discontent directed at him in the stadium; and only very recently have the press started to ask the questions of him they should have been asking many months ago.

What’s happened to him is the polar opposite of being ‘hounded out’.
 
Yeah fully expected disagreement tbh, I sit all over as not a ST holder but I've spoke to various others who say the same as me. Kind of my point, there are other teams who try and get behind their team when they are struggling but we just never do that. We as a collective seem to have the attitude of 'you are here to entertain us, if you don't then we aren't going to get behind you.'

I appreciate it can be a chicken and egg thing, support is better if we are playing better etc but having gone to games of various other teams for me we are one of the worst. Just my opinion, as a ST holder you have more say then me...

It’s definitely a ‘chicken and egg’ thing. That said, the performances - both home and away - have been so utterly abysmal for so long now that I cannot blame the fans for being quiet. I understand the need to back your team but there comes a point when it’s such a one-way flow of energy that it’s impossible to maintain it. It doesn’t even look like the players are putting in the effort any more, so why would the fans? It’s a truly sorry situation.

By the way, I’m a ST holder and I don’t think that my opinion is any more or less valid than any other spurs fan and I certainly don’t feel like I should have more of a say in anything.
 
It’s definitely a ‘chicken and egg’ thing. That said, the performances - both home and away - have been so utterly abysmal for so long now that I cannot blame the fans for being quiet. I understand the need to back your team but there comes a point when it’s such a one-way flow of energy that it’s impossible to maintain it. It doesn’t even look like the players are putting in the effort any more, so why would the fans? It’s a truly sorry situation.

By the way, I’m a ST holder and I don’t think that my opinion is any more or less valid than any other spurs fan and I certainly don’t feel like I should have more of a say in anything.
Yes the ST thing is just the fact that you guys have a larger sample size to go on, whereas I'm only there around 6/7 times a season.

I'd understand it a bit more if the atmosphere has nosedived for the past year due to poor results under Ange, but it has been the same for quite a while. Perhaps you could argue we haven't really seen the best of the atmosphere yet in our new stadium yet? Of course the odd CL night etc apart I think it's been poor overall. I'm guessing a fair chunk of that is to do with the divide over our board, and also the managers since Poch.....
 
It’s definitely a ‘chicken and egg’ thing. That said, the performances - both home and away - have been so utterly abysmal for so long now that I cannot blame the fans for being quiet. I understand the need to back your team but there comes a point when it’s such a one-way flow of energy that it’s impossible to maintain it. It doesn’t even look like the players are putting in the effort any more, so why would the fans? It’s a truly sorry situation.

By the way, I’m a ST holder and I don’t think that my opinion is any more or less valid than any other spurs fan and I certainly don’t feel like I should have more of a say in anything.
The atmosphere is brick because it’s a different collection of people at every game
IMO the fans there for a one off are more noisy than the ones there every game
Where I stand in the south it’s generally the louder people complaining…even where we’re winning and 4/5 trying to get a song going
People blame the ground but it’s just bricks and mortar. It’s the people in it that would make it work, or not
It’s not even the 1882 section which is tiny in reality. It’s just the fan base and the way that fans “expect” something
It’s the same at every perceived big club
 
Vicario
Porro Danso VdV Spence
Bentancur Gray
Johnson Bergvall Odobert
Solanke
Is what I'd like to see.

Vicario
Porro Romero Danso Spence
Bentancur Sarr
Johnson Maddison Son
Solanke​

Is probably what we'll get.
 
Who has said that? Think most of us just want a manager that will get the best out of the squad. While playing decent football.

Finishing 8th playing decent football is ok for you? I'm pleased to read it as I feel the same, i use to like the game and looked forward to an afternoon out with family and friends and usually enjoyed it. but if you're not in top 4 or won a trophy you're rubbish in this world. There are plenty of managers who could get us in top 6 employing a pragmatic game but it wouldn't be entertaining and not very successful in cup football where the priority is to win not avoid defeat.
 
I don't think Spurs fans are particularly good in the stadium tbh, win or lose save for special games. The atmosphere has constantly been poor on a good day to toxic on a bad day for a good few years now, compare that to some other clubs fans support whether their team are doing well or not and it's night and day. Just my opinion from what I've seen, I'm not dismissing any fans on here who constantly go and support the team well - just the collective....

Everyone has a view on how the team perform and play and that's natural, I just don't get why people take results so personally, do they think ENIC, Levy, Postercoglu and players spend their time planning to upset them? I feel sure they want better and we should let them know we support them in these tough times, I feel the atmosphere is down to a minority of boozed up loud mouths who get the sheep to join in, I've seen this happen many times in my life at differing occasions. I would never attend any event or pay large amounts of money to see something I fully expected to be poor and annoy me. I've stopped going due to various reasons and really miss going with my family but the moaners annoyed me far more than the results.
 
Finishing 8th playing decent football is ok for you? I'm pleased to read it as I feel the same, i use to like the game and looked forward to an afternoon out with family and friends and usually enjoyed it. but if you're not in top 4 or won a trophy you're rubbish in this world. There are plenty of managers who could get us in top 6 employing a pragmatic game but it wouldn't be entertaining and not very successful in cup football where the priority is to win not avoid defeat.
8th looking up, playing in a way that is sustainable and forward thinking I'd be more than happy. I want to see team prepared for games, what the opposition is going to do, nullify it both defensively and attacking wise. I'd like to be able to identify what my teams playing style is. I have no problem with losing, but I want to lose where I feel we've been beaten, not beaten ourselves by ignoring certain aspects of the game, like how the other team are going to set up, or continually leaving players unmarked.

Any manager who has us playing at or better than the sum of our parts and I'd be looking forward to games again.

Pragmatic is often used wrongly, with negative connotations attached to it, but some of the most attacking and innovative managers are pragmatic. It's what's highest up my list for the next manager. Someone who uses what he has to it's best, who's tactics are adapted to the player profiles he has, not just his 'philosophy'. One of the reasons Iraola is so appealing is that he's shown exactly this at Bournemouth.
 
8th looking up, playing in a way that is sustainable and forward thinking I'd be more than happy. I want to see team prepared for games, what the opposition is going to do, nullify it both defensively and attacking wise. I'd like to be able to identify what my teams playing style is. I have no problem with losing, but I want to lose where I feel we've been beaten, not beaten ourselves by ignoring certain aspects of the game, like how the other team are going to set up, or continually leaving players unmarked.

Any manager who has us playing at or better than the sum of our parts and I'd be looking forward to games again.

Pragmatic is often used wrongly, with negative connotations attached to it, but some of the most attacking and innovative managers are pragmatic. It's what's highest up my list for the next manager. Someone who uses what he has to it's best, who's tactics are adapted to the player profiles he has, not just his 'philosophy'. One of the reasons Iraola is so appealing is that he's shown exactly this at Bournemouth.

I'm ok with that but I bet we are in a very small minority of Spurs fans who see Bournemouth as our roll model, lots will love it for awhile but after a time our next manager will be "clueless" unless we win something.
 
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