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**** OMT Tottenham Hotspur FC v Bodo Glimt ****

Kandi1977 said:
It's perfectly fine. Absolutely nothing to complain about. Have you seen the state of some of the grass pitches? Doesn't matter anyway, as it's the same for both teams. Glimt have to play every away game in the CL on a different surface than they're used to. Don't hear them complaining about that.
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If anything, having a team train on perfect pitches trimmed by nail clippers could be detrimental. I'm not saying they should train in a potato field, but playing on less-than-perfect pitches is not only a part, but a main part of professional football. Having a fantastic pitch in front of you should elevate your game, not that a second tier pitch should drag it down (too much).

Like the old Brazilians who grew up playing with rolled-up shirts and decapitated heads, when they got a real football they could do anything with it.
 
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ricky2tricky4city said:
What I would say is, if you are going to play EL or CL football you can't lay your artificial surface will visible wrinkles/creases in it. If Bodo think that's alright, then it's up to UEFA to turn up as say 'this is an effing joke'
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We had a wrinkle on one side of our astro and it was not allowed to be used until it was sorted - and that’s at school level. It’s a health and safety issue. Incredible that it is being allowed in Europe’s premier footballing competition.
 
Chrissivad said:
I also blame the forwards though. No movement to try and create space, or option for the pass. They just stood being marked.

Just wasn't a good game all round.
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I think it’s because it takes so long to get them the ball
When we passed quickly we got past bodo
That’s a setup issue for the coaches
See the twitter list I posted above
Shows the lack of speed in our initial play
 
SubZero said:
If anything, having a team train on perfect pitches trimmed by nail clippers could be detrimental. I'm not saying they should train in a potato field, but playing on not-so-perfect pitches is not only a part, but a main part of professional football. Having a fantastic pitch in front of you should elevate your game, not that a second tier pitch should drag it down (too much).

Like the old Brazilians who grew up playing with rolled-up shirts and decapitated heads, when they got a real football they could do anything with it.
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we have artificial pitches at the training ground too right

can't be too hard to spray a load of dry ice over it then soak it to simulate the conditions
 
sirharolddove said:
fair enough. i completely disagree re: Bentancur. I think Palhinha is the most complete. too mang games pass Bentancur by, he had absolutely no positive influence tonight, as per.
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Palhinha is a defensive midfielder, not a CM and does a great job for what a defensive midfielder should do. Bentancur has a lot more touches in a more pressured area of the field. He is a box to box central midfielder. Out of the 3 CMs we have: him, Sar and Bergvall, I think he is the most complete. When Bergvall gets stronger physically and becomes better in the air, he could surpass him. But again Bergvall is mostly a creative midfielder and we should have one of those in the no.10 spot, which is heavily sought over by Xavi, Maddison and even Kulusevski. Bergvall needs to step more in that box to box role.
 
Mikey10 said:
We had a wrinkle on one side of our astro and it was not allowed to be used until it was sorted - and that’s at school level. It’s a health and safety issue. Incredible that it is being allowed in Europe’s premier footballing competition.
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My local team had long wrinkles on the side of the turf, visible from the top of the stands (not that the stands are huge, mind). And they were on the near end, by the team boxes. This is/was at level 3 in the league system.
 
Chrissivad said:
I also blame the forwards though. No movement to try and create space, or option for the pass. They just stood being marked.

Just wasn't a good game all round.
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Johnson and Odobert have been very poor. Kudus and Xavi are a class above. I am looking forward to the return of Kulusevski and to see what Kolo Muani can do.
 
IulianSteaua said:
I am very happy with our CB pairing of Romero and VDV. It is one of the best in the world. Porro should improve defensively, man marking and positioning, but he brings plenty to our game. At LB we could have improved this summer by bringing in Theo Hernandez but we opted not to. Udogie is poor defensively and is not to bothered running back when we lose the ball. Spence still has a lot to learn but he has been progressing nicely. I do agree that they look a bit lost at times and Frank should address this more. I think we have already seen progress compared to Postecoglou. Especially at defending corners and set pieces in general.
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I know a lot of people are happy with Romero and VDV. Maybe i am weird. It might be just me. I just don't see it. I think Paulinha improves things as he stops things even getting to them so in that way having a quality DM at least makes it a back 5. But again 1 v 1 or as a coherent unit when we are under the cosh like in the Bournemouth game? Not for me.
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
Yea was the home games I was considering to see if a point is a good result there or not, so Monaco, Juve and City. We’ll see..
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Forgot about Monaco. No idea if they're any good. Juve and City will face very different (freezing) conditions though, playing there late November and January respectively.
 
Some more thoughts:

The Bodo team were very impressive at pass and move, they always had a pass and made very quick, neat, decisive passes; that is what I expect from all professionals and Spurs so often make it look impossible to do.
When that happens, I often switch the teams in my mind i.e. for a couple of minutes, pretend that Spurs are in yellow and Bodo are the team in black... it is really illuminating just how much Spurs sit off and don't engage, they allow Bodo to think and pause and play triangles... when you imagine Spurs as the other team, you can really see it.

Bodo played a bit like Angeball, loads of players forwards, completely engaged all the way into the opposition half, then concede a goal or disallowed goal or post or crossbar with every single cross!

The pitch was an issue; lots of players slipping over and unable to turn as expected; very noticeably in the first few minutes as they got used to it and also as each sub came on the pitch and tried to stop quickly and just slipped instead.

The drum beats from the Bodo crowd were impressive, bam badda bam badda bam badda bam, about 180 beats per minute, relentless pressure and drumming... then you hear the mournful moan from the sad saps in the corner at 3 beats per minute c-o---ooo---o-oo---o-oome o-o-o--o-on y--o-o-oooouuu Sp-u-u--uuuu-uurrrr---s-ssssss. That isn't exactly going to "Spur" a team to passionate glory, now is it?

If Spurs fans don't travel, they should not get the loyalty points. The away end was at least half empty.

I wonder which Spurs owners/directors/seniors travelled to Bodo this time, anyone know?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Rotation isn’t the issue for me, it’s the set up
Bergvall isn’t a 10
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Agreed, and I would like that experiment to end once Maddison and Kulu are back as options. But that's what I mean - our lack of options for players outside the starting 11, through injury or transfer missteps, are forcing these sorts of choices.

Bedfordspurs said:
Bents is best when he is pressing
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Problem is, he's also the only vaguely defensive midfielder we have aside from Palhinha - so when we rest the latter, the former is forced to play as a holding #6, which he isn't very good at.

Bedfordspurs said:
Johnson needs a pass
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The problem with Johnson at the moment is - what setup do you actually play him in? In a game we're expected to dominate, he can't really take on his man (in the bottom percentile for take-ons), and can't hold on to the ball when it's played to feet. When we're being dominated, he can't force the opponent back by being a threat on the counter the way he did last season.

He's a bit of a player without a purpose atm.

Bedfordspurs said:
Odobert and Spence means no left footer on the left
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Who do we have who can play there except Odobert? He's the best of a bad bunch. Frank wanted a left-winger, we couldn't get one over the line - he sees it's a problem.

Spence - agreed. Udogie gives us more threat down that side, and imo we need that more than we need Spence's defensive solidity atm.

Bedfordspurs said:
Richy can’t okay back to back games IMO
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Again - who do we have to rotate him with? Solanke is on his fourth month of a supposedly 'minor' injury (that now needs surgery), Kolo Muani is a ghost.

Bedfordspurs said:
These are franks calls
Then the sole attacking set up is to play it wide we are then very predictable
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These are Frank's calls because of the limitations of the squad - I don't think he would be making many of these choices if he had options to choose from mate.

As for the playing it wide thing, it's common these days - the 'semicircle of death', which a lot of teams do. Right now we aren't confident enough to play through the middle without fear of being dispossessed and hit on the counter, so instead we're doing the 'wide and cross it in' thing. It's understandable.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I know a lot of people are happy with Romero and VDV. Maybe i am weird. It might be just me. I just don't see it. I think Paulinha improves things as he stops things even getting to them so in that way having a quality DM at least makes it a back 5. But again 1 v 1 or as a coherent unit when we are under the cosh like in the Bournemouth game? Not for me.
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I agree that Palhinha helps a lot and will make them look better, but a lot of teams have that defensive midfielder that helps out and we missed someone like him last year. I also agree there are better central defenders one vs one than ours, but they really excel in other areas, VDV's speed and tackling is amazing and his heading is a lot better than what you said imo. As for Romero, he is a leader, very tough, has a great long pass. I rather see our wing backs as being the problem, especially on the left.
 
SubZero said:
No comparison intended, but like Modric he looks more like an assister to an assist than an assister. He's constantly trying to make things happen, which is what I like most about him.
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Modric was a conductor, the person who orchestrated the midfield and the shape of the team with his give and go passing and his incisiveness. That's not Bergvall's game, he's not really got the tempo instinct. He's much more of a ball carrier than a passer. He actually reminds me far more of someone like Lampard than Modric. He's about energy, getting the ball and moving it forward at his feet rather than spraying it about.
 
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