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OMT Spurs v Athletico

Rafa87 said:
Oh Christ, we would never have him as manager.

He’s just a manager that I admire for his mentality even if I didn’t like him as a player!
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Well we might now find out what it’s like to have an Argentine manager again… ole ole 😅

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thfcsteff said:
This goes back to a lack of support around him. I think he was royally fudged by the boardroom shift (we saw that as we approached the Jan window) and a club which became a subset of VPs lacking a leader. For his part, he continually tried to say we were seeing things we weren't. I'd have had a whole line of dialogue he could've parroted to the press/in pressers which would've protected the players, protected him, and not tried to tell me I was seeing a rainbow on a black and white monitor.

As for that highlit line, it's pretty simple. Either play a pressing game and squeeze the lines so as you don't have 5 yard spaces for the oppo to play around pressure, or go into each game 5-4-1, sit low-block, bore the brick out of everyone, take the criticism and let the 'points' speak for you as you explain that there is building going on.

I go back to the profile of player we signed. I have always said a manager should get who THEY want even if it isn't who I want. He passed on Eze and Simnons early early in the window (don't ask but he did). We went in for MGW. That failed. We dingdonged around. We ended up getting him to agree that Eze would be good and fudged that. We then got Simons. You saw what the man plays; would Eze have been a fit for it? No! He was a fit for MY Tottenham, but not his. Ditto Simons, who subsequently was wasted on the left and arguable contributed to Odobert maybe not developing quite as fast as possible (he was starting to cook when he got hurt - I know you agree). So WHO kept on NOT getting him round pegs for round holes? Who didn't get him a left-winger? Or a left sidede FB/CB?

There are many points of blame for sure...I still maintain the whole thing was a mistake from the start, but he was not helped.
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FFS. Can we stop the Ange vs. Frank? They are both part of the problem but are also symptoms of a wider problem:
1) They were both horrifically stupid appointments. Ange because he was completely under experienced and under qualified for the position. His track record with injuries was clearly going to be uber-exacerbated by the physical demands of PL football. Unfortunately we are paying the price with the majority of our first team squad coming out of his reign with chronic long-term injury problems. This is not a coincidence. Ange ball was never likely to work over any length of time at this level and so it proved. His stint at Forest merely reinforced this.
2) Frank likewise under experienced and underqualified. More importantly, he was a totally underwhelming candidate both in terms of personality and style of play. Why was this important? Well despite the above there WAS a feel good factor from the EL, there was the beginnings of togetherness, Ange WAS a big personality. So you need a candidate that is going to please those that wanted Ange gone while crucially picking up the pieces of dissapointed fans who wanted Ange to stay and take them on a similar (less tactically naive and injury plagued) journey. What you got with Frank is divided fans, a quickly toxic atmosphere and again it was obviously doomed to failure from the get go really.
 
Couldn’t watch the game but have just caught up via this match thread and reading through, there were times I was almost laughing. It just reads like a comedy.

It seems there were positives in how we played, slips, mistakes and head butting our own players aside, but a 5-2 loss is going to do nothing for our confidence and that’s something our players desperately seem to need.
 
thfcsteff said:
That was an atrocious challenge for sure, he is a lucky guy.
I would say putting these players in a system they feel comfortable in right now might be helpful. Rip it up (again!) in the summer, but let's make sure that summer is in the PL!!!
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It would, but every manager had a system and not everyone is the same, the players have to take a massive level of responsibility if we are going to stay up, the issues is, no one seems up for it.
 
We are now officially the biggest LOSERS IN EUROPE (‘s top 5 league since the start of 2024/25)

So much for that “winning mentality” we were meant to exhibit after breaking our trophy duck 💩

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Robbo said:
It was incredible. Perfect touch, straight into the path of whatever his name was. From a franticly cleared ball falling almost straight down from way up there.
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Only real bit of quality they needed to show on any of the goals. Should've been one for us though.

Alvarez subduing his dive reflex for long enough to be able to run all the way from the halfway line was pretty impressive too, could've fitted 5 or 6 dives in in that time.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
FFS. Can we stop the Ange vs. Frank? They are both part of the problem but are also symptoms of a wider problem:
1) They were both horrifically stupid appointments. Ange because he was completely under experienced and under qualified for the position. His track record with injuries was clearly going to be uber-exacerbated by the physical demands of PL football. Unfortunately we are paying the price with the majority of our first team squad coming out of his reign with chronic long-term injury problems. This is not a coincidence. Ange ball was never likely to work over any length of time at this level and so it proved. His stint at Forest merely reinforced this.
2) Frank likewise under experienced and underqualified. More importantly, he was a totally underwhelming candidate both in terms of personality and style of play. Why was this important? Well despite the above there WAS a feel good factor from the EL, there was the beginnings of togetherness, Ange WAS a big personality. So you need a candidate that is going to please those that wanted Ange gone while crucially picking up the pieces of dissapointed fans who wanted Ange to stay and take them on a similar (less tactically naive and injury plagued) journey. What you got with Frank is divided fans, a quickly toxic atmosphere and again it was obviously doomed to failure from the get go really.
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Hilarious that some people still want to blame Ange for injuries that have occurred since he left the club.

The only long term injuries when Frank took over were Dragusin (ACL) and Kulu (knee injury sustained from a tackle against Palace).
 
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