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**Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**

DHSF said:
I dont see seasons as segments.... I see it as a season. Last season we threw away a 10 point lead this season 7 - not as bad but still very poor. Maybe thats me though.

If a season doesnt end in March, a season also doesn't matter if you lose 5 games straight or scattered over a 38 game period. You will still get the same points and thus the same position.
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last season was unique to almost all others imv and comparing it to this (or any other) is an impossible task - yes on the very most simplistic level 7 points lost isn't that much worse than 10 points lost but we all know there is a hell of a lot more to the story than that. and to be honest i think this forum could do with less talk of last season so i'll leave that there for the time being ;)

I agree partly about the second point but we have a strategy and I very much our strategy says to finish above Arse - it will say to finish top four or CL places.
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yes of course - people get hung up on it being Arsenal - id wager if they were mid table for the last decade and it was Liverpool we were trying to over take in 4th then everyone would be a lot more accepting/calm about it all.
 
indianspur said:
no, i get your point

how about wages being an important motivating factor for those clubs who pay more than us, so their players somehow subconsciously try harder because they want to maintain that level of salary by finishing in the top 4. Once Spurs players hit the home stretch, they dont have the same motivation
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Ah ok i see. So the opposition didn't try as hard but during the month of march they suddenly decided to put more effort in and this was due to wages? i take it by your logic, we obviously slipped up because subconciously our players realised their wage bonus for finishing 4th wasn't of the standards they were expecting?
 
look people, its not over yet, actually id rather be behind than in front (ooooerrrrr;) ) you just know that Spurs would brick their pants if we were in front with one game to go and we would have blown it

now, fcuk all to lose, only all to gain......stranger sh!t has happened
 
braineclipse said:
People watched us drop a significantly larger than 7 point lead against Arsenal last season. People watched Manchester United, one of the better teams in Europe, managed by probably one of the best managers ever drop 8 points against City last season in way fewer games than remained when we had 7 points this season.

People then watch us drop that 7 point lead this season, but insist that the problem must be with the club, with the team, with the manager or with the chairman. Not with their own perception of what constitutes a safe lead.
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There is no such thing as a safe lead unless its mathematically impossible. That's my view. Ill go as far as to say that also throwing away a seven point lead is just as poor as a ten point lead - am I also right in thinkin losing the ten point lead was over far more games than the seven this time round? (I can be corrected not sure)

PS - the season aint over yet - we will still finish fourth in my opinion anyways.
 
DHSF said:
I dont see seasons as segments.... I see it as a season. Last season we threw away a 10 point lead this season 7 - not as bad but still very poor. Maybe thats me though.

If a season doesnt end in March, a season also doesnt matter if you lose 5 games straight or scattered over a 38 game period. You will still get the same points and thus the same position.

I agree partly about the second point but we have a strategy and I very much our strategy says to finish above Arse - it will say to finish top four or CL places.
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Hang on......

.....if you don't see seasons as segments, why are you making a comparison from one season to the next on the basis of a segment of each of those seasons?
 
We are most likely to finish 5th.

Are we upset with that? Not really. We've had a good season, we got to the quarter finals of a European competition, we are on course to better our points total, we have been outstanding away from home, we have beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, we won a North London Derby, we beat the Champions at home, we drew away against the European Champions despite falling behind twice, we've got one of the best goalkeepers in the world, one of the best footballers in the world who just won 3 personal awards.

Sure we might be a little aggrieved that we have failed to wrap up Champions League football before the last day of the season with silly little losses like the one at home to Fulham or even Wigan earlier in the season or squandering a one goal lead with minutes to go at Everton only to go on and lose. This happens to every club though, in fact since that Everton game I think we've learnt from mistakes when it comes to conceding late goals. We are learning as a team with a young manager who wants to take us forward.

Can that be the end of it?
 
Kingdawson said:
Ah ok i see. So the opposition didn't try as hard but during the month of march they suddenly decided to put more effort in and this was due to wages? i take it by your logic, we obviously slipped up because subconciously our players realised their wage bonus for finishing 4th wasn't of the standards they were expecting?
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nah, Spurs are just a bunch of bottlers...no matter the manager, the players, the chairman, we will usually fold when it matters. simple really
 
Kingdawson said:
Ah ok i see. So the opposition didn't try as hard but during the month of march they suddenly decided to put more effort in and this was due to wages? i take it by your logic, we obviously slipped up because subconciously our players realised their wage bonus for finishing 4th wasn't of the standards they were expecting?
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So nobody tries harder because they can earn more?

Are you a communist?
 
jimmyb said:
My post referred to the specific point highlighted in skyfarer's post. That's why I wrote "Very good point" - not "Very good post".

Your post is therefore irrelevant to what I wrote.
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"The problem with our league is that there are FIVE clubs with far more financial resources and wages than us, whereas Dortmund only have to deal with one behemoth"

The point you highlighted is pretty much in line with the rest of his post so it's more then relevant.
 
Jordinho said:
After 20 games we both had the same number of points.

Then we beat Reading and drew with QPR and United while they drew with Southampton and lost to United and Chelsea.

We then stayed 4 points ahead until the NLD. That's where we got the 7-point lead.

After that we lost to Liverpool and Fulham while they got 4 points off Everton and Swansea.

Since then the difference has been them drawing with United and us drawing with Everton, Wigan and Chelsea.

To summarize: Since NLD our toughest opponents have been Chelsea, Everton, City, Liverpool. Arsenal have played United and Everton
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I was under the impression that everyone plays everyone else twice?
 
Mumorn said:
We are most likely to finish 5th.

Are we upset with that? Not really. We've had a good season, we got to the quarter finals of a European competition, we are on course to better our points total, we have been outstanding away from home, we have beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, we won a North London Derby, we beat the Champions at home, we drew away against the European Champions despite falling behind twice, we've got one of the best goalkeepers in the world, one of the best footballers in the world who just won 3 personal awards.

Sure we might be a little aggrieved that we have failed to wrap up Champions League football before the last day of the season with silly little losses like the one at home to Fulham or even Wigan earlier in the season or squandering a one goal lead with minutes to go at Everton only to go on and lose. This happens to every club though, in fact since that Everton game I think we've learnt from mistakes when it comes to conceding late goals. We are learning as a team with a young manager who wants to take us forward.

Can that be the end of it?
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I would have agreed with you their but youre grammar was poor.
 
Mumorn said:
We are most likely to finish 5th.

Are we upset with that? Not really. We've had a good season, we got to the quarter finals of a European competition, we are on course to better our points total, we have been outstanding away from home, we have beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, we won a North London Derby, we beat the Champions at home, we drew away against the European Champions despite falling behind twice, we've got one of the best goalkeepers in the world, one of the best footballers in the world who just won 3 personal awards.

Sure we might be a little aggrieved that we have failed to wrap up Champions League football before the last day of the season with silly little losses like the one at home to Fulham or even Wigan earlier in the season or squandering a one goal lead with minutes to go at Everton only to go on and lose. This happens to every club though, in fact since that Everton game I think we've learnt from mistakes when it comes to conceding late goals. We are learning as a team with a young manager who wants to take us forward.

Can that be the end of it?
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my worry is exactly that this will be the end of it, that this will be a peak, that next season we won't even challenge 4th place let alone secure it
 
onlyme said:
I would have agreed with you their but youre grammar was poor.
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galeforce said:
my worry is exactly that this will be the end of it, that this will be a peak, that next season we won't even challenge 4th place let alone secure it
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well then you won't complain if we fail to get top 4 on the final day of next season either if you think that :)
 
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