i hear you, except all these characteristics are of teams that have been much mroe successful than us for longer periods. its team like that which come in line with what you've said above
Which what we/all want Spurs to be, I presume.
the quality we buy is nowhere near the quality commanded to achieve the kind of results you want
That upper quality, is the quality we need to be buying, to fight on a level playing field, and that is long overdue. Yes, it costs.
coming back to the blackburn thing, i think i'm geting what you mean confused..did we labour to win (that is struggle to win) ? or should we have won by far more? if its the latter....why? why should we have won by far more if indeed we laboured to win against a team that for all intents and purposes are battling for premier league survival..i.e fighting tooth and nail to not get beaten? you see i'm not sure why you think we should have won by far more...because its relegation blackburn or because its what we actually did on the pitch........how many teams recently have run over blackburn the way you hint we should?
We should have won by far more because Blackburn were totally abysmal, wide open and there to be slaughtered. We didn't take it. This is especially true as goal difference could make a big difference in a couple of weeks.
sorry bro, i didnt mean to insinuate that the bolton win was not a positive thing coming from you, just that i thought you should have replaced 'decent' with 'great' or 'fantastic' etc. which i thought it was. Thw wobble period you're talking about? every single team has that sort of period in a vast majority of their games. there is no team that will ALWAYS command a game for the full 90 mins. wobble periods happen because it isnt against a rock that we are playing..its against other people...your assumption is that we put our foot down and they will obey and cause of our quality (or natural footballing superiority) that there is nothing they can do to upset that. its funny but you should take into account that football and human being arent always like that in fact frequently you'll get people that say "No" to things despite their grave circumstances. When Reo-coke scored...did you see his expressions and that of the coach? it was like a spirit came into the stadium and the crowd and everyone got uplifted.....why is that not enough to wobble the 'mighty indestructible' tottenham? are we THAT good that our players mimic teams like city and united? or are we just a good team that can fall prey to other teams determination in a 90 min game. I've seen big men lose the will to cotinue a big fight simply because the little fela is relentless, not afraid AND just determine to keep going until the other guy says he quits or backs down. i dont see why jusat because you or our team wants something to happen that Bolton should just sit there and take it. chances are that , yet another team fighting fo survival, will throw heaven and earth at your feet .....and you may just wobble. correct me if i'm wrong but we did recove r from that wobble in really good style?
No sure all teams nearly always have a wobble, but fair point. We conceded the equaliser because we went to sleep and Modric was central to that goal being given away. It handed the impetus to Bolton, and the game was swinging their way when we hit them for six, or rather two quick goals. We got the breaks. Spurs need to become more ruthless and clinical in finishing off teams, especially the lower grade opposition. Against 'better' opposition, that sudden swing can be fatal. Look at what has happened to Spurs many times when we have been cruising, and then conceded; at Old Trafford we were 2-0 up (Bent and Modric, IIRC) a few years ago, and suddenly......bang! They get the chance, and the impetus and momentum swings away from us. OK, on that occasion we were robbed by a ref. decision, but we couldn't deal with the momentum-shift. That is the point, and we could have let it slip against Bolton. Its not just against the 'top' sides here, either.
Equally, we just don't score enough, apart from the rare occasion. We need more ruthless and clinical strikers, and this is where we need to invest big. Long overdue.
actually you can achieve being the best by geting fringe players that dont complain , much like louis saha and nelson, they're fringe players for a reason. Hand on heart......if someone said to you beginning of LAST, "wellbeck will be your fringe striker" what would you have said? and speaking of which why is it alright for ferguson to buy spent forces like owen, wenger to re-sign campbell...and yet us getting saha and nelson is a bad move?
Bad move. Not good enough.
another thing i wanted to add is that you want spurs to be the best.....fair enough..i do to. how about we get there through incremental baby steps...i.e structured organic growth , peice by piece.....as opposed to nwhat i consider a bit unrealistic BAM!!!!!! top four quality players throughout the entire squad. we arent that rich and we arent that plastic. city and chelsea and united can do these ..not us...yet
Disagree with your organic growth point. It isn't quick enough. Top opponents will equally strengthen at the same time, so we will have achieved no competitive advantage. We will occasionally unearth a gem (sometimes cheap), like Modric, but it isn't enough alone to make that jump up with the 'elite'. That costs money.
i do think you are right that perhaps my expectations might be considered low. mainly its because i see culture and systems as inherently the most fundamental ingredients to success..and tottenham do not excel in these at all in the last 15 years..so how can we expect those that do to just step aside .
It depends on your way of thinking, and beliefs. Will Chelsea be rattling on about tradition and history if they win the CL? Nope, they will be lording in victory. The upstarts will be unbearable. :frown: We won't stand much chance of rising to that challenge until we get new big money backing. Football is big money-orientated now, and that gets the best, which win things. Hand in hand with this is the importance of a top manager, who can attract the top talent. I don't think Redknapp is that. I worry about him being given big money to spend. Look at Dalgleish; spent a huge amont of money, yet Liverpool are zhite. I think he is in the same mould as Redknapp.
The most important cog in any team is the manager. You must get that right first. I don't think we have.
we should compete solidly? 36 games in and we are 4th
compete for CL? we are doing that 3 seasons rrunning
imporve this squad? EXTREMELY difficult considering the level we have in the starting 11.......the next tier plays Down, not up, but down will invariably NOT be the kind of players that like sitting on the bench..ergo they will not come. if we buy the next tier UP, not down, then our current players will want to leave. this will be the way of things until we buy players with monster contracts or if we start winning the league
Ditto previous point. We are 4th, but we should be solidly in the top 3 after the earlier season, and possibly challenging for the title. The collapse has changed all that. We had the huge opportunity with Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverppol all being way out of sorts and we have blown it. Better players after winning the league? We need them to win it.
all in all i think that we punched above ou weight in the fist half of the season and in the bad months that followed we punched BELOW our weight.......but i would like to stress that eiether way this doesnt mean that we belong in the bracket of teams that makes the "should" in most situations on paper into an acual "did do". its not realistic and perfection or perfect expected scenarios shouldnt be used as a measuring stick for harry o our team. not witout considering all the factors , much like ' playing a team fighting for survival'
We really should be despatching teams like Wolves, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn, and even Fulham, home and away, but we still struggle. A better manager than Harry, with our current players, would IMHO. Good post though.
