don't think it's fair to compare the Portuguese league with the Scottish
think AVB would benefit from a few years at a less high profile club, the Chelsea job was a bad move for him at this point in his career
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O/T AVB Sacked by Cheatski
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don't think it's fair to compare the Portuguese league with the Scottish
think AVB would benefit from a few years at a less high profile club, the Chelsea job was a bad move for him at this point in his career
What about the Europa League? Did he fluke that one too?
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indianspur
Guest
what do you think about the Europa League?
Steed Train
Clive Wilson
I personally wouldn't be that upset if we got AVB. His main problem was that he was stuck with a team that was not in his mould at all full of ****s. We've cleared our squad and would have some flexibility to bring in new players to supplement the young talent we already have
Kingdawson
Banned
No thanks on AVB. He made too many errors which would leave me infuriated if he was our manager. Persisting with Torres despite endless brick performances, not giving Lukaku opportunities in cup games to get himself familiar with the way it's played over here, persisting with Luiz at cb after error number 4576578 and sell a very good cb in Alex, persisting with Boswinga despite countless poor games, dropping lampard in the big games in place of an under performing meireless.
Kingdawson
Banned
Also sticking with the same damn rigid formation despite it not working. At least our manager has the balls to try new things.
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indianspur
Guest
well i think you are in the minority there
last season, after the an easy group stage, Porto beat Sevilla, Cska Moskow, Spartak Moscow, Villarreal and then Braga in the final. Good teams, but not at all impossible to overcome especially when you have the likes of Falcao and Hulk smashing them in from all angles.
Ramos won two Uefa cups and still struggled to apply his methods at Spurs. Where is he now. The Europa League/Uefa Cup is no longer the respected competition it once was before the restructure of the European Cup into the Champions league. Sad but true
Whether it's respected by brain-washed 16 year olds who've only heard the CL tune in their lives is another story
The teams listed above are no pushovers and boast substantial talent. Any trip to Russia is difficult, in addition to beating a very good Villareal side at the time.
Look at our opponents this year and we still ****ed it up. Knock out games bears almost ZERO relevance to current form and are very trickly encounters overall. So to dismiss his impressive haul as some kind of a Sunday pub league competition he won merely by rocking up is crazy
The teams listed above are no pushovers and boast substantial talent. Any trip to Russia is difficult, in addition to beating a very good Villareal side at the time.
Look at our opponents this year and we still ****ed it up. Knock out games bears almost ZERO relevance to current form and are very trickly encounters overall. So to dismiss his impressive haul as some kind of a Sunday pub league competition he won merely by rocking up is crazy
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Where did I say he fluked anything? Thats right, I didnt.
The implication was, I thought, clear. He did fantastically well with the biggest club in a small league that is ordinarily won by one of two or three big clubs. VERY similar to the situation in Scotland, hence the comparison.
A very deliberate comparison, because it doesnt take the oracle to imagine the reaction on here should someone suggest Neil Lennon as a replacement to Harry.
Of course what he did is very credible, especially the EUROPA win, but the gist of my point remains.
Celtic currently play some good football, with some good footballers (for the level) and have put together an incredible string of results. Even without Rangers penalty I believe Celtic will have won this champioinship with ease.
Lennon would therefore have "done it" in a comparible league, playing relatively good football - does that make him a candidate too? I highly doubt it.
So is Villas Boas doing (very) well in Portugal reason enough to sign him up?
Denmark Spur
Michael Carrick
According to some papers, the Chelsea players hate Di Matteo more than they hated AVB :lol:
Their league is nothing like the SPL, and boasts at least 5 competitive sides fighting for the top. Similar to the Bundersliga in number of ways.
And I'm also not sure how your point 'remains' about Lennon and the Europa League. Unless he goes on to win it - no he would not have done as well, imho
And I'm also not sure how your point 'remains' about Lennon and the Europa League. Unless he goes on to win it - no he would not have done as well, imho
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
I dont disagree at all. As I recall Villareal smashed them to pieces and they were very lucky to get through that tie, it was a tough competition and they (as an unfancied team) won it. Fair play for that.
I do think the Ramos comparison bears consideration though, Ramos did it twice and yet it counted for nothing when he got the Spurs job. So should it bear to much scrutiny in the case of AVB?
Im more inclined to look at a managers style than record, lets face it if we got Redknapp for his record it was his experience in relegation scraps not CL campaigns. AVBs style concerns me, as KD points out - stubborn, inflexible and fails to adapt. Fails to change players, try players or spot the bleeding obvious such as BOSINGWA IS NOT A LB!
I can buy that a certain amount of this is out of his control, perhaps he was forced to persist with Torres because of the ?ú50m outlay, perhaps he played Bosingwa because he was all that was available when he was making a show of power dropping Cole. But I dont know any of this for sure.
Even in the games I saw at Porto the system was a good system, worked well enough, but there were still clear signs it was never going to change or adapt when things werent going their way.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Their league bears much greater comparison to Scotish than German football. The quality alone should show you that.
And the point was a simple one, which is why I reinforced it. "Doing it" with a big club in a small league is not exactly validation of managerial excellence.
southstand1882
Mitchell Thomas
AVB for England
His English is better than most English people
His English is better than most English people
he_is_you_know
Willem Korsten
Never mind all this brick about AVB and the consequences of the sacking on Chelsea's season; is Eva Carneiro still going to continue as physio there?
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indianspur
Guest
why go to extremes, where did i say the Europa League was akin to a sunday pub competition? Porto are an established CL club and should be expected to reach the latter rounds of the Europa League if they find themselves there. I dont think thats unreasonable to expect no matter who is managing them.
Porto had won 6 out of the previous 8 league championships before AVB's one season there. They are and have been the dominant team there. Yes he has success during his one year at Porto but lets put it into perspective.
The Chelsea job came too soon for him, too big a club in too big a league at this stage of AVB's career. to be offered the Tottenham job would be an almighty risk on Levy's part, especially after what has only just happened.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
What is that based upon? How many teams contest the title? The quality of football? Finances? Or simply how well the teams do in european competition?