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Nuno Espírito Santo - Sacked

Nuno has to show some nouse and improve what we are seeing.
He is trying people’s patience. I’m not sure I can put up with more games like today’s first half.
His time is running out quickly.
 
glasgowspur said:
The apparent fall with Kane and son is even more bizarre than the dier - dele cooling.
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Looks fairly simple to me (but I could be wrong): Mourinho gives his attacking players a lot of freedom, from what I've read. Kane obviously enjoyed that, he almost said as much in the interview he gave after Mourinho's sacking. Now, he's back in a very controled system - and one that doesn't work, at that. Having said that, it's sad to see them unable to find each other, like we did a few times in the first half, after reaching such a high level not so long ago.

Looks obvious to me that they don't really what they're supposed to be doing (which is understandable since Santo hasn't been here for long) but one of them also looks like he couldn't care less. Then again, it's easy to project your own frustrations on a player's body language so I'd take my own comment with a pinch of salt.
 
Mr Gogolak said:
Looks fairly simple to me (but I could be wrong): Mourinho gives his attacking players a lot of freedom, from what I've read. Kane obviously enjoyed that, he almost said as much in the interview he gave after Mourinho's sacking. Now, he's back in a very controled system - and one that doesn't work, at that. Having said that, it's sad to see them unable to find each other, like we did a few times in the first half, after reaching such a high level not so long ago.

Looks obvious to me that they don't really what they're supposed to be doing (which is understandable since Santo hasn't been here for long) but one of them also looks like he couldn't care less. Then again, it's easy to project your own frustrations on a player's body language so I'd take my own comment with a pinch of salt.
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I can't lay the blame for the on field misunderstanding on nuno, thats been there for a while.
Sometimes its like watching 9 years break, they all to the player with the ball.
 
StephenH said:
Nuno has to show some nouse and improve what we are seeing.
He is trying people’s patience. I’m not sure I can put up with more games like today’s first half.
His time is running out quickly.
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You quickly forget how many first half’s we have had like that there then

I’ll throw some out there
Under Poch
4-2 December 18. We had a half decent spell first half when we scored two. Concede 3 second half
2-0 November 17. We had a stronger side in paper…. brick the bed as usual
The results before that though we draws under Poch with his first one being a 1-1 where we didn’t have a shot on target

last season we had the spineless 2-1 where we didn’t attack all game and they battered us down our right as bale went on holiday

We also have the much celebrated 5-2s in 2012, the last games I went too there

some real classics to refresh the memory banks and to highlight that today was actually par for the course for us there
 
glasgowspur said:
I can't lay the blame for the on field misunderstanding on nuno, thats been there for a while.
Sometimes its like watching 9 years break, they all to the player with the ball.
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Ha ha
Love that
It doesn’t help asking players to play a different game positionionally to what they have played all their career
 
glasgowspur said:
I can't lay the blame for the on field misunderstanding on nuno, thats been there for a while.
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Between Kane and Son? I'd say it's relatively new. Last year, they could find each other with a blindfold on. But I think it's a mixture of different things: a poor (in my opinion) tactical set-up, a short time to get his message across and a huge attitude problem that goes through the whole squad. Unfortunately, I don't think he has it in him to turn things around if Pochettino and Mourinho failed before him. We have to wait until we're rid of those players who shouldn't be here and move on from there.

I won't hold my breath, though.
 
Mr Gogolak said:
Between Kane and Son? I'd say it's relatively new. Last year, they could find each other with a blindfold on. But I think it's a mixture of different things: a poor (in my opinion) tactical set-up, a short time to get his message across and a huge attitude problem that goes through the whole squad. Unfortunately, I don't think he has it in him to turn things around if Pochettino and Mourinho failed before him. We have to wait until we're rid of those players who shouldn't be here and move on from there.

I won't hold my breath, though.
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Kane and sin done great until they broke that record and it fell apart.
But them chasing that record hurt us as they were basically inky looking for each other.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Ha ha
Love that
It doesn’t help asking players to play a different game positionionally to what they have played all their career
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We've to many playing out os position.
Tanganga as rb when he's a cb
Dele, who has been played all over the pitch except in his best position.
Moura, seldom gets more than two games in the same position.
Bergwijn, constant role change.
Glc, no settled position.
Kane plays where and it seems how he wants.
Last week i thought we had a settled formation and plan and only the changes were due to players not being available.
I was quite happy.
Today a virtually full squad and he plays a totally different way. I won't mention the formation because i don't think there was one.
 
glasgowspur said:
We've to many playing out os position.
Tanganga as rb when he's a cb
Dele, who has been played all over the pitch except in his best position.
Moura, seldom gets more than two games in the same position.
Bergwijn, constant role change.
Glc, no settled position.
Kane plays where and it seems how he wants.
Last week i thought we had a settled formation and plan and only the changes were due to players not being available.
I was quite happy.
Today a virtually full squad and he plays a totally different way. I won't mention the formation because i don't think there was one.
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The formation today was the same one we started the first 3 games of the season with
4-3-3 with a compact 3 up front forcing Arsenal wide in theory
But the game was lost in the middle 3 as dele and Tanguy were kinda playing in front of Pierre but not actually doing anything much.
And don’t forget Hojdjerg has been shunted around a lot too
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The formation today was the same one we started the first 3 games of the season with
4-3-3 with a compact 3 up front forcing Arsenal wide in theory
But the game was lost in the middle 3 as dele and Tanguy were kinda playing in front of Pierre but not actually doing anything much.
And don’t forget Hojdjerg has been shunted around a lot too
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Who was the middle player in the midfield three?
Peh? Its about the only place he wasn't today. The hole in the middle of the park was cavernous.
And i don't get this compact thing at all. There were gaps everywhere, in and out of possession. Today looked like a team thats never played together and didn't know each what they were supposed to be doing.
 
glasgowspur said:
Who was the middle player in the midfield three?
Peh? Its about the only place he wasn't today. The hole in the middle of the park was cavernous.
And i don't get this compact thing at all. There were gaps everywhere, in and out of possession. Today looked like a team thats never played together and didn't know each what they were supposed to be doing.
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The were holes everywhere I agree
But that’s the system we were meant to be playing looking at the first 10 minutes
But game plans can go out the window when you concede a tap in like we did
 
Robspur12 said:
Are the players in today's squad much worse than the Brentford team that nearly beat Liverpool yesterday? That Brentford team looked very well coached.
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Like our players used to. Until some them decided they don't need to be coached, the wins come from their talent, not the coaches system.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The were holes everywhere I agree
But that’s the system we were meant to be playing looking at the first 10 minutes
But game plans can go out the window when you concede a tap in like we did
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I didn't see a system, i saw a hit it long policy.
We played very well for 45 against Chelsea and wolves mid week with a system, and then throw it all away fir that mess today.
I don't get it.
Hopefully something will have become obvious today and it can get sorted.
But I'm not holding my breath.
 
Robspur12 said:
Are the players in today's squad much worse than the Brentford team that nearly beat Liverpool yesterday? That Brentford team looked very well coached.
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Yeah, much worse in mental resilience and application. Talent is irrelevant if you don’t do the basics and put the work in, the first two (and game winning) goals were scored by unmarked players 12 yards from goal.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
You quickly forget how many first half’s we have had like that there then

I’ll throw some out there
Under Poch
4-2 December 18. We had a half decent spell first half when we scored two. Concede 3 second half
2-0 November 17. We had a stronger side in paper…. brick the bed as usual
The results before that though we draws under Poch with his first one being a 1-1 where we didn’t have a shot on target

last season we had the spineless 2-1 where we didn’t attack all game and they battered us down our right as bale went on holiday

We also have the much celebrated 5-2s in 2012, the last games I went too there

some real classics to refresh the memory banks and to highlight that today was actually par for the course for us there
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True but bar last season this Arsenal side are considerably bricker than any of their sides in those games.
That's what is so bad about yesterday, this Arsenal team are utter toss and we let them have a jolly.
 
I think there's a problem with Nuno and the players. We all know what the players are capable of but they are just not playing with each other. Mostly the senior players. Whatever it is sacking Nuno now is not going to help. I hope Nuno understands his job is now at risk and will be more ruthless in dropping the fan favourites, top earners and record buys, and start those who deserve to.

IMO - Son, Skipp, Gil, Royal, Rodon, Loris, Romero and Tangaga- we can build a decent squad around them.
 
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