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Next Spurs Manager v.2

Who do you want?

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • Mauro Pochettino

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 16 13.2%
  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 10 8.3%
  • Murat Yakin

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thomas Tuchel

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Rafa Benitez

    Votes: 29 24.0%
  • Someone Else

    Votes: 4 3.3%

  • Total voters
    121
  • Poll closed .
That's a fair point and almost certainly true.

But isn't it a bit scary that Southampton are only 6 points above Saudi Sportswashing Machine, who are pretty much in full-on crisis mode at the moment, and have been most of the season?

Southampton have in effect won the mid-table mini-league ahead of, in order:

Saudi Sportswashing Machine
Stoke
Palace
Swansea
Hull
West Ham

I'd argue that Southampton are the biggest club there in terms of spending, support (Toon aside), quality of existing playing staff when the manager arrived, the most supportive/stable boardroom set-up.

Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Davis and Cork were all there when Poch arrived and have been the backbone of the best things he's done. ALL of them are quality players and predated his arrival.

I am NOT NOT NOT denigrating Poch, because I like him. Honestly, I might pick him ahead of any other PL manager to come to Spurs other than Martinez (Jose - boring football, Rodgers - don't like the man, Pellegrini - meh etc) but that does not make him the right man for the job. It might make him the best we can get, but that is not the same thing.

We've been in full crisis mode for most of the season and are 7 points away from 4th, 3 away from 5th. It's been a strange, strange season.

It would be very interesting to see what So'ton, and/or Pochettino will do if they lose Shaw and Lallana. Lampert will be a year older as well. They're a bit like us, constantly losing their best players and having to rebuild. They've got some young lads coming through, as usual, and on top of that, would have about 30-40 million to play with from player sales. I think they'll be desperate to keep him.
 
That's a fair point and almost certainly true.

(1)But isn't it a bit scary that Southampton are only 6 points above Saudi Sportswashing Machine, who are pretty much in full-on crisis mode at the moment, and have been most of the season?

Southampton have in effect won the mid-table mini-league ahead of, in order:

Saudi Sportswashing Machine
Stoke
Palace
Swansea
Hull
West Ham

I'd argue that Southampton are the biggest club there in terms of spending, support (Toon aside), quality of existing playing staff when the manager arrived, the most supportive/stable boardroom set-up.

Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert, Schneiderlin, Davis and Cork were all there when Poch arrived and have been the backbone of the best things he's done. ALL of them are quality players and predated his arrival.

I am NOT NOT NOT denigrating Poch, because I like him. Honestly, I might pick him ahead of any other PL manager to come to Spurs other than Martinez (Jose - boring football, Rodgers - don't like the man, Pellegrini - meh etc) but that does not make him (2)the right man for the job. It might make him the best we can get, but that is not the same thing.

1. Not really, and not really imo.

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2013-2014/custom-table

From the end of December until the end of the transfer window Saudi Sportswashing Machine were around 6 points ahead of Southampton. For me Saudi Sportswashing Machine went full on into crisis mode after selling Cabaye (January 29th). Since Saudi Sportswashing Machine have been in full on crisis mode Southampton have overtaken Saudi Sportswashing Machine by a long distance. 11 points more in the last 13 games. This is a Saudi Sportswashing Machine side that was 6th after 18 games (half the season, December 27th), a point behind Everton, 3 points behind Liverpool and 2 points ahead of ourselves and United.

2. I disagree fundamentally. I think the best we can get is the one we should go for. I don't think it's true that only a very particular (and seemingly unavailable) few can succeed with us. I think we should look to hire the manager we deem to have the highest chance of succeeding.
 
De Boer has attempted to put a lid on such talk though and when contacted by Voetbal International, replied: "Spurs? I know nothing."
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Football agent Jonathan Hope of Revolution Sports Management revealed earlier this month he has offered Diego Simone to a top London club. “Staff turnarounds are going to be vital for clubs and I’ve proposed Diego Simone and his Sporting Director Caminero to a top London club and they in turn have their own shortlist of players. With ongoing talks in regards to Benzema, Elneny and Basanta are huge for the Premier League.
 
I think it's abundantly clear that Man U have serious reservations about LvG. He'd already have signed if he was their No. 1 pick. He clearly isn't, Ancelotti is (sensibly, from their perspective).

LvG to Spurs is still on.

Forza Bayern.

I agree with you! Although I find it a little strange that Ancelotti would leave Real for United if he has the option to stay on at Real I suppose it's not impossible.

Forza Bayern and Forza Ryan Giggs just in case!
 
Each manager Levy has hired has had a better winning percentage than his predecessor. That shows to me that he's getting it exactly right, gradually building up squad quality year on year and sacking the manager as soon as they show signs of running out of steam.

The club, Levy and the DOF (to a lesser extent) are the backdrop to the 'project'. The manager is like the players, here while they can make a positive contribution, out when there's a profit to be made that can go back into the club, or when an upgrade is available

Yes and the head coach is a kind of expendable position for us really. Any "project" is being run by the club/transfer committee/technical directors with input from the coaching staff only.

In business as well, regular changes of the managerial structure are seen as healthy.

Most of the successful clubs in Europe change managers regularly. Ferguson was one of the few exceptions, but that was because, IMO, he was someone willing to change himself and his own style and build remarkably different teams with different styles over the years. He was also someone that regularly changed his No 2 and coaching staff to shake things up a bit.

You look at Wenger at Arsenal and the way they've went from a progressive, dominating force ahead of their time, to stagnation and then reversal of fortunes to see what can happen when the same guy keeps the top job for too long.

You can actually see with us this season that we've been so poorly managed, but the quality in the squad has prevented us from falling too far down the table and points wise, we're pretty much where we have been for the last few seasons, if not better PPG wise. We can still match our record ever Premiership points tally can't we?

The performance of the first team therefore isn't even necessarily dependent on who the head coach is. The club is so structurally sound that even having written off the coaching team midway through the season and installed a temporary fix, we have maintained a very consistent performance level which is basically beat everyone below 4th place, lose to everyone 4th and above.

The season might be seen as a dissaster due to heavy defeats against the clubs that occupy the top three positions, but considering we've bought 7 overseas players and sold our best player, we've maintained what was probably an expected performance level.

Infact, looking at people's predictions before the season, many on here were claiming 7th or 8th due to the loss of Bale and high turnover of playing staff.

In this disaster of a season we've guaranteed a top 7 position, with likely 6th place finish minimum. We've taken 4 points off Everton, 4 points off United, 6 points off Southampton, 3 off Saudi Sportswashing Machine (and dominated the game we lost against them at home, but lost because Krul turned into a magic octopus on the day), pretty much spannered the rest of the league comfortably, especially since Sherwood took over.

We're also likely to finish with one of our highest ever Premiership points hauls.

Levy has the club extremely stable performance-wise.

I'm pretty sure with a more settled squad with a few key additions in the summer, our performance against the top 3 will improve and we'll maintain a consistent performance against the rest of the division.
 
Which is why i'm all for Poch and I think Levy might be.

The worry for me is that if any manager is going to seriously upset the Apple cart and screw everything up it will be LVG who will be a disruptive influence on the transfer committee, want all his own coaching staff, want to buy all these dutch players and throw all the plans we've been making for the last few years out the window.

It is a big gamble for me one a manager like that, its one that could have us finally mount a serious title challenge, but it could also equally end in ruins.

I'd say Poch is better suited to where we are as a club right now and what we need, which is mainly just someone to come in and work with what he's given and just get them a bit more organised and expressive.
 
Spurs chairman Daniel Levy plans to interview the Southampton manager as the club step up their managerial search after missing out to Manchester United for Louis van Gaal

Tottenham will step up their managerial search this week and plan to intensify their interest in Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino, Goal understands.

Spurs have been informed that first choice Louis Van Gaal is all but certain to join Manchester United after the Netherlands coach agreed a deal to replace David Moyes after the World Cup.

Pochettino has been at the forefront of the Londoners’ thoughts ever since they decided to replace Tim Sherwood at the end of the season despite awarding him an 18-month contract in December.

The Argentine has been made aware that Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy plans to grant him an interview and the 42-year-old has delayed contract talks with Southampton amid interest from White Hart Lane.

Pochettino has one year left on his Saints contract but the club is preparing for a summer of upheaval, with star players including Luke Shaw and Adam Lallana expected to leave.

He is admired in north London for the high tempo, attacking style of play he has introduced at Southampton, with the club comfortably sitting in eighth place in the Premier League table.

Pochettino’s experience in the Premier League is also valued as Spurs look to rebuild this summer following a difficult campaign and target a top-four finish next term.

Tottenham are expected to meet with more than one candidate and are also considering Frank De Boer, but sources in Holland claim the Ajax coach has major doubts over a move to White Hart Lane.

De Boer has just guided the Amsterdam giants to a fourth successive Dutch title under his management and has been linked with European giants Barcelona and Inter.

Contrary to reports, Tottenham sources insist the club have no interest in Moyes after the Scot was sacked last week 10 months into the six-year contract he signed to replace Sir Alex Ferguson at United.

Tottenham initially wanted Van Gaal to replace Sherwood but for a while feared the legendary coach was holding out for a potential vacancy at Old Trafford. The 62-year-old agreed a deal with United executives in Portugal and is expected to be confirmed as the club's next manager.

Sherwood has led Spurs to 11 victories in 18 league games this season but was informed earlier this month that the club plan to appoint a new manager in the summer.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2014/04/29/4783391/pochettino-set-for-talks-as-tottenham-step-up-manager-search
 
I think it's abundantly clear that Man U have serious reservations about LvG. He'd already have signed if he was their No. 1 pick. He clearly isn't, Ancelotti is (sensibly, from their perspective).

LvG to Spurs is still on.

Forza Bayern.

I'll bet Ferguson doesn't want him, and presumably he will be arguing the case that forms the centrepiece of the Independent's story. On the other hand, they know Ancellotti won't be coming here to turn us into a major rival if they don't end up appointing him, and I still think that's a point they will consider very carefully. All very finely balanced at this point.
 
I know the whole world is assuming Sherwood is going but has a team ever had so many articles written about potential new managers when the current one still has a year left on his contract!?

I mean WE all think we know Sherwood is off but it's a bizarre situation.. especially for him when I bet he is thinking WTF is all this about?
 
Yes and the head coach is a kind of expendable position for us really. Any "project" is being run by the club/transfer committee/technical directors with input from the coaching staff only.

In business as well, regular changes of the managerial structure are seen as healthy.

Most of the successful clubs in Europe change managers regularly. Ferguson was one of the few exceptions, but that was because, IMO, he was someone willing to change himself and his own style and build remarkably different teams with different styles over the years. He was also someone that regularly changed his No 2 and coaching staff to shake things up a bit.

You look at Wenger at Arsenal and the way they've went from a progressive, dominating force ahead of their time, to stagnation and then reversal of fortunes to see what can happen when the same guy keeps the top job for too long.

You can actually see with us this season that we've been so poorly managed, but the quality in the squad has prevented us from falling too far down the table and points wise, we're pretty much where we have been for the last few seasons, if not better PPG wise. We can still match our record ever Premiership points tally can't we?

The performance of the first team therefore isn't even necessarily dependent on who the head coach is. The club is so structurally sound that even having written off the coaching team midway through the season and installed a temporary fix, we have maintained a very consistent performance level which is basically beat everyone below 4th place, lose to everyone 4th and above.

The season might be seen as a dissaster due to heavy defeats against the clubs that occupy the top three positions, but considering we've bought 7 overseas players and sold our best player, we've maintained what was probably an expected performance level.

Infact, looking at people's predictions before the season, many on here were claiming 7th or 8th due to the loss of Bale and high turnover of playing staff.

In this disaster of a season we've guaranteed a top 7 position, with likely 6th place finish minimum. We've taken 4 points off Everton, 4 points off United, 6 points off Southampton, 3 off Saudi Sportswashing Machine (and dominated the game we lost against them at home, but lost because Krul turned into a magic octopus on the day), pretty much spannered the rest of the league comfortably, especially since Sherwood took over.

We're also likely to finish with one of our highest ever Premiership points hauls.

Levy has the club extremely stable performance-wise.

I'm pretty sure with a more settled squad with a few key additions in the summer, our performance against the top 3 will improve and we'll maintain a consistent performance against the rest of the division.

Last 7-9 years, absolutely.

Funny that people like to use stats to compare TS -> AVB -> Harry -> Jol and don't seem to realize that it's almost a linear improvement in win % over time.

That to me is not a validation of TS being better than a predecessor (or AVB vs. Harry for that matter), vs. a validation of squad improvement & depth, better team facilities and experience at higher tiers (competing for top 4, European games, etc.)
 
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Which is why i'm all for Poch and I think Levy might be.

The worry for me is that if any manager is going to seriously upset the Apple cart and screw everything up it will be LVG who will be a disruptive influence on the transfer committee, want all his own coaching staff, want to buy all these dutch players and throw all the plans we've been making for the last few years out the window.

It is a big gamble for me one a manager like that, its one that could have us finally mount a serious title challenge, but it could also equally end in ruins.

I'd say Poch is better suited to where we are as a club right now and what we need, which is mainly just someone to come in and work with what he's given and just get them a bit more organised and expressive.

Interesting points. Not an easy decision this hiring a manager business.

I would take LvG over anyone we could realistically get, but you make a good argument for someone less tumultuous.

At the same time I think perhaps someone to come in and change how some things are done could be a good thing.

I'm not sure how disruptive LvG will be on a transfer committee. He might want his own coaching staff, but that might not be a terrible idea. He might favour some Dutch player, but Vertonghen has been pretty good ;)

I know the whole world is assuming Sherwood is going but has a team ever had so many articles written about potential new managers when the current one still has a year left on his contract!?

I mean WE all think we know Sherwood is off but it's a bizarre situation.. especially for him when I bet he is thinking WTF is all this about?

I think he knows exactly what it's all about....
 
Greg Stobart has just said we are defo interviewing Poschetino this week and he believes De Boer too.

How about levy goes an interviews a proper manager who can speak English and has proper experience in the top flight. You wouldn't believe we have the second highest season ticket prices in the whole world with how content some of you sound getting fobbed off once again by Mr Daniel Levy.
 
Greg Stobart has just said we are defo interviewing Poschetino this week and he believes De Boer too.

i think the Poch talk is a sideshow to deflect attention.....imo DeBoer is the guy Levy really really wants
 
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