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Next Manager?

billyiddo said:
What people need to realise is that from the clubs perspective that whilst the stadium was being planned/built top 4 and CL football trump domestic trophies - Jol taking us to best of the rest, Redknapp taking us to the CL, Poch establishing us in the CL all done more for the clubs stature and progress towards our ultimate goal of being a genuine top level club than a million League or FA Cups would have done.

We bought in proven winners and all they've done is take us backwards
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I agree with your proven winners point

But nevertheless bringing in managers like you mentioned means we don’t win anything but it just looks better

I want my team to win stuff
 
Lost Mango said:
We'll see Dele back so he has someone to blame if it is still brick.
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So do you think that he was blaming Vinny last time?

Good shout though as he was garbage imv

First half he had one run on goal and nearly fell over the ball a la Sissoko

Second half he had an easy header to score and missed

That was about it and I’ve read that he’s supposed to be worth £40 million???
Do me a favour

And I don’t want to hear about him not getting service and not being sharp etc

Like a lot of others just not good enough and any manager would struggle with this shower
Not just Jose!
 
monkeybarry said:
The same as with anyone else - two trophies in 30 years isn't a lot.
But we did look like developing under all of them.

That said, Mourinho has us in a final.

Maybe keep mourinho until the summer and then transition to Sacramento?
I wonder if Mourinhos ego would allow him to be a DoF? Probably not.
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Yes I try and defend Jose but his arrogance doesn’t make it easy!

a DOF is what’s required but hasn’t he worked ok with one before?
Unlike Poch
 
LincsSpur said:
I agree with your proven winners point

But nevertheless bringing in managers like you mentioned means we don’t win anything but it just looks better

I want my team to win stuff
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A big part of the reason we didn't win stuff with the 'nobodies' is because we were planning/building the stadium and had limited resource to back them fully, i think now we're in the and can evidently spend considerably more then that wi allow us take that next step up, when we appoint a manager that is the right fit
 
billyiddo said:
A big part of the reason we didn't win stuff with the 'nobodies' is because we were planning/building the stadium and had limited resource to back them fully, i think now we're in the and can evidently spend considerably more then that wi allow us take that next step up, when we appoint a manager that is the right fit
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That makes sense when you look at the financials, the money spent on fees and salaries.

I don’t think it’s true when you look at the actual players involved though, we had a team loaded with world class players, as good as anyone else in the world in their position at the time, Lloris, Verts, Toby, Demebele, Alli, Eriksen, Lamela, Son, Kane. You could count on one hand the players from Barca or Madrid that would have got a start in that team.

For a little while, our recruitment dept had the Midas touch.
 
billyiddo said:
A big part of the reason we didn't win stuff with the 'nobodies' is because we were planning/building the stadium and had limited resource to back them fully, i think now we're in the and can evidently spend considerably more then that wi allow us take that next step up, when we appoint a manager that is the right fit
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It's a damn shame that the stadium can't generate revenue, and hasn't been able to for almost a year.
 
Baleforce said:
That makes sense when you look at the financials, the money spent on fees and salaries.

I don’t think it’s true when you look at the actual players involved though, we had a team loaded with world class players, as good as anyone else in the world in their position at the time, Lloris, Verts, Toby, Demebele, Alli, Eriksen, Lamela, Son, Kane. You could count on one hand the players from Barca or Madrid that would have got a start in that team.

For a little while, our recruitment dept had the Midas touch.
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Chicken and egg with those players, no one expected from them what came when they signed - were they all destined to be that good or did the setup make the team greater than the sum of it's parts?

Either way you need more than a good selection of players in your XI to win the league/CL
 
billyiddo said:
Chicken and egg with those players, no one expected from them what came when they signed - were they all destined to be that good or did the setup make the team greater than the sum of it's parts?

Either way you need more than a good selection of players in your XI to win the league/CL
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Fair point, impossible to tell which came first. Although Lamela was obvious, he’d been the best player in Italy for some time.

Other teams disprove that though, Leicester, Liverpool, full of bang average.

Edit: Silly me, I forgot about the doping for a moment there.
 
Even now, it’s bloody frustrating, I guarantee that any other PL manager would swap any 5 of their players for Son and Kane.
 
Baleforce said:
That makes sense when you look at the financials, the money spent on fees and salaries.

I don’t think it’s true when you look at the actual players involved though, we had a team loaded with world class players, as good as anyone else in the world in their position at the time, Lloris, Verts, Toby, Demebele, Alli, Eriksen, Lamela, Son, Kane. You could count on one hand the players from Barca or Madrid that would have got a start in that team.

For a little while, our recruitment dept had the Midas touch.
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You overrate our players massively as is clear to everyone. None of them and I mean none of them have elicted any serious interest from rivals or higher prestige sides despite many of them being available at various times. You're going to be forever disappointed in what any manager archives because you can't see what's actually in front of your eyes. Kane is world class, Son has been at times and the Belgium defenders were a great duo. The rest are just good players except Lamela who is midtable standard.

Poch's system and coaching has made you think the parts were better than the sun when it was the other way around. Now you're seeing the effect of just having the parts and it doesn't quite add up to what you think it does.

LincsSpur said:
So do you think that he was blaming Vinny last time?

Good shout though as he was garbage imv

First half he had one run on goal and nearly fell over the ball a la Sissoko

Second half he had an easy header to score and missed

That was about it and I’ve read that he’s supposed to be worth £40 million???
Do me a favour

And I don’t want to hear about him not getting service and not being sharp etc

Like a lot of others just not good enough and any manager would struggle with this shower
Not just Jose!
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Maybe if Mourinho had spent some time during the season integrating him into the side and giving him minutes in the PL here and there he might not have looked so rusty in the moment we absolutely had to use him. Remember in the Brighton game he didn't even start him. So yes the blame has to fall on Jose.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
What is it you have against Rodgers exactly?
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What has he actually done?
One "good" season at Liverpool were he almost won the league but threw it away in way that would make even us embarrassed.
Letting in 3 goals in the last 11 mins against a Tony pulls team ffs!
He lucked out at Liverpool with saurez.
Discount everything he did domestically at celtic, the financial gap up here would be like dropping city into the third division.
 
AdamB said:
Understand the reaction but A LOT of manager appointments solve the failings of the previous guy. Therefore Jose's successor would likely be:
- younger (Poch-like)
- clean cut (Southgate, Howe etc)
- have an established, attractive way of playing

That will bring Howe and Southgate's names into the mix. I'm sure there's lots of overseas managers who fit the bill too, but I don't watch hours of overseas football so cant comment on the equivalent names outside the UK
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Great point....you see this with England managers and to an extent Prime Minister's - the person selected is often the one with the attributes the predecessor did not have. We're certainly no exception to this:

Mourinho replaced Poch....who lacked experience of winning trophies and one-off games
Poch replaced Sherwood....who lacked (add punchline here)
Sherwood replaced AVB.....who lacked dynamism and personality
AVB replaced Redknapp....who lacked detail and long term vision
Redknapp replaced Ramos....who lacked knowledge of the Premier League and the ability to empathise with and motivate players

etc

With that in mind Southgate and Howe are of a type you'd describe as the polar opposite to Jose - younger, empathetic with modern day players, non-confrontational etc.
 
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