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Next Manager?

Bishop said:
Because the anti Levy crowd mostly think it was a mistake sacking him in the first place. Whereas the Pro Levy bunch tend to think he can do no wrong. So for me it would be interesting to see how they justify his actions. But that's just me.
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But life isn't ever that black and white is it?

- Poch was burnt out
- Levy made a ballsy call (instead of watching the club drift, like United/Scum are doing)
- Delays in stadium, constraint re money, some bad decisions all contributed.

So easy to pick a side, both could have done better.

What is clear is Levy and Poch both liked and respected each other, and both want the club to do well.

- The Poch return makes sense if it's long term
- They both do a little adulting on changes needed

If they can, then why does someone need to "win" or prove if the decision was right/wrong in first place?
- If he comes back and can have the same impact as his first spell, it could be the best move ever for club in hindsight (see how that works?)
 
harr1984 said:
I’ll give it a go:D Everybody makes mistakes, not that I even think this was one anyway - Poch was done by the time he was sacked, emotionally especially he needed a break non-figuratively everyone could see it. The time apart has given Levy a chance to see that a big name doesn’t necessarily mean the best fit for our club, Poch might see that it’s not always all it’s cracked up to be managing one of the powerhouses in Europe, and I think that I am a better football fan than the rest of you might also appreciate to be more patient with a forward thinking coach and respect there are going to be some bumps along the way for a club like ours that don’t have a bottomless pit of money....
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Surely that better coach is Potter. Poch stopped playing and promoting youngsters.

If it was the Poch that turned up I would go for it.
 
Raziel said:
But life isn't ever that black and white is it?

- Poch was burnt out
- Levy made a ballsy call (instead of watching the club drift, like United/Scum are doing)
- Delays in stadium, constraint re money, some bad decisions all contributed.

So easy to pick a side, both could have done better.

What is clear is Levy and Poch both liked and respected each other, and both want the club to do well.

- The Poch return makes sense if it's long term
- They both do a little adulting on changes needed

If they can, then why does someone need to "win" or prove if the decision was right/wrong in first place?
- If he comes back and can have the same impact as his first spell, it could be the best move ever for club in hindsight (see how that works?)
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I'm slightly confused with the club drifting bit as if the club hasn't drifted.

Jose wasn't ballsy, it was lazy and uninspired and predictably doomed to fail.

Anyhoo I've now seen how a bunch of the pro Levy crowd will justify it and as I said for me it's amusing.
 
Raziel said:
But life isn't ever that black and white is it?

- Poch was burnt out
- Levy made a ballsy call (instead of watching the club drift, like United/Scum are doing)
- Delays in stadium, constraint re money, some bad decisions all contributed.

So easy to pick a side, both could have done better.

What is clear is Levy and Poch both liked and respected each other, and both want the club to do well.

- The Poch return makes sense if it's long term
- They both do a little adulting on changes needed

If they can, then why does someone need to "win" or prove if the decision was right/wrong in first place?
- If he comes back and can have the same impact as his first spell, it could be the best move ever for club in hindsight (see how that works?)
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The real positive is that they were both big enough to not hold a grudge.
That can only be a good thing.
 
Bishop said:
Because the anti Levy crowd mostly think it was a mistake sacking him in the first place. Whereas the Pro Levy bunch tend to think he can do no wrong. So for me it would be interesting to see how they justify his actions. But that's just me.
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I don't think there's as much correlation between the two positions as you'd like to think - I'm "pro Levy" but have always thought it was a mistake to sack Poch. In fact I'd say I've noticed more of the crowd that got on Pochs back also being outspoken wrt to Levy needing to go as well, but that's just me i suppose.

How would you square Levy being such a nightmare to work for should Pochettino return?
 
Bishop said:
I'm slightly confused with the club drifting bit as if the club hasn't drifted.

Jose wasn't ballsy, it was lazy and uninspired and predictably doomed to fail.

Anyhoo I've now seen how a bunch of the pro Levy crowd will justify it and as I said for me it's amusing.
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We were 14th with a bad run that went to middle of previous season, all our top players (and team) were statistically on a decline for 2+ seasons, our manager was snappy with media, showed clear signs of burnout after 5 years in a role, made odd public statements, list goes on.

If you want amuse yourself

- The Pro Poch being fired cloud has data (see above) that suggests it was exactly the right decision at the time
- The appointment of Jose and his failure or success is not relevant to that discussion
- The Pro Poch never being fired club effectively have two arguments
1. He earned more time (something no one gets in football)
2. Somehow he was going to turn it around (despite no precedent in football, typically when managers get beyond a certain stage in bad runs, it never turns around)

So you have one group of people
- Who said we have a problem, we needed to take action, and based on this criteria, we are making this decision
- Another, who thought, lets just let it drift because we hope/dream/imagine it will magically get better ignoring everything re challenges mangers face after a certain amount of time in role, what personal burnout is and the messaging letting poor results have no accountability sends.

Dreamers vs. pragmatists ..
 
Only consistent message is no appointment is going to satisfy everyone.

All the more reason the club needs to do what it thinks is right regardless of PR of decision
 
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