Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Cue everyone saying “he wasn’t the right guy for us anyway” like Nagelsmann wasn’t 
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Next Manager?
- Thread starter StephenH
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I need to pull you up here on a few things.
First Poch knew that the stadium was going to cause issues with recruitment for a while, he mentioned it every week for a year and a half - it wasn't a surprise and it certainly wasn't an issue for a manager who was talented at getting the most out of a player. Poch had to go because around the time of the Champions league final it dawned on him he needed to change the narrative because some of his stalwarts - Vertonghen, Lloris, Rose, and a few others were ageing, or starting to struggle with his high intensity football. He needed new faces, but also had a final of a major competition which flew in the face of his comments.
Sanchez and Sissoko are not useless - Sissoko was the first name on the team sheet under Poch in the run to the final of the EC, his teammates chanted his name each week, and he won accolades. Similarly Sanchez was improving until Mourinho came in.
Steve Hitchin has the same constraints on him that caused Poch issues - he's at a club managing the debt of a new stadium - despite that he still brought Bale back, signed Vinicius on loan, Reguillon, Hojberg, as well as Ndombele, Sessegnon and Lo Celso in the previous year. I'd argue that with the exception of a centreback, where Rodon was signed to be a now and future player when he's probably a bit off the former, Hitchin has provided a balanced squad - Mourinho said as much when the transfer window shut last autumn.
I don't get your point about back room staff - every manager largely brings their own so it seems moot to me.
I would say that if you have managed a team from the fourth tier to the top tier and gotten into European football with them, you are not a yes man, you're a man with some grit and determination. So your references to Potter are wide of the mark.
Re Kane leaving - we are outgunned in the transfer market by Chelsea, Emirates Marketing Project, Liverpool, and Man Utd every season - they have more resources due to rich ownership. These clubs have bought success in a way we profess to loathe - probably only because we can't do it too. Those clubs above have won everything for the last few years, bar the Leicester miracle and the goons fluking an FA cup. Its not as easy as "we should be winning trophies" when those clubs are there to compete for them season after season. So Kane leaving has as much to do with the amount of money being thrown at our rivals as it does with our inability to compete with them. Each season 19 clubs lose the Premier league, 91 clubs lose the FA cup and so on. There's four trophies to aim for, and that makes the odds tough re winning them.
IF Kane does leave, he will do so having been part of a team that came third one season, second another, reached 3 major trophy finals and played some of the best football around (until this season). Some things are not about money, some are just about luck and not being able to beat the last hurdle on a given day.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-signs-one-year-contract-extension-until-2023
From appointing before season’s end - admittedly media rumour-mongering - to now after season’s done suggest we’ve definitely been rebuffed here.
Jesus wept. We really are an unappealing choice right now, aren’t we? I guess I should wait until we know who’s taking charge before jumping to those conclusions mind.
What’s putting people off? Board? Squad? Lack of money? Lack of autonomy? Lack of European football? Kane looking to leave? All of the above?!
From appointing before season’s end - admittedly media rumour-mongering - to now after season’s done suggest we’ve definitely been rebuffed here.
Jesus wept. We really are an unappealing choice right now, aren’t we? I guess I should wait until we know who’s taking charge before jumping to those conclusions mind.
What’s putting people off? Board? Squad? Lack of money? Lack of autonomy? Lack of European football? Kane looking to leave? All of the above?!
Mr Gogolak
Noé Pamarot
Mourinho failing to get anything out of this squad?
Depends on whether you believe those sort of things or Fabrizio Romano. Either way he's not coming
I think we are appealling for the right person though some of those factors you mention dont help. I think there's a general smell-factor around us though, partly because of Levy's ESL thing, partly because of the negative football over the last year or so, partly because we've fallen down the league a bit. We were more attractive 18 months ago certainly. Might just be bad luck from a timing perspective
Mr G - Mourinho's methods didn't suit our squad. They played progressive attacking football for 5 years then got told to sit back. He's not a bad manager, and we've not as bad a squad as a lot of people would have you believe - the two were just incompatible.
Shouldn't put off too many people - possibly some of the older Italian managers which Mourinho's style has compared to over the years.
Shouldn't put off too many people - possibly some of the older Italian managers which Mourinho's style has compared to over the years.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
If this means Levy is forced to get on the Rangnick train this will be the best thing to happen to the club. Ten Hag wasn't gonna fix our mess is a transfer policy. Rangnick will demand that and way more control.
AjaxDeSuperYids
Drama queen
Any hope of tempting Rodgers in your opinion with this treble your money I’ve been reading about?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
New news that he has signed a contract
If he came up yesterday abs said he was signing a contract I’d be more interested
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Find myself not worrying at all. But then again I also find some of the reactions on here to ETH signing a contract extension to be both premature and over the top.
But of course, ETH rejected us because of Levy, our reputation is severely damaged, there's no reason to think Levy would prefer someone other than ETH, Romano is wrong. Makes for a decent narrative.
Perhaps we can convince Mason to take the job permanently. Or pry Parker from Fulham.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
No chance
Fulham have an owner who will invest and Mason knows Spurs are bad for his career
That’s the message isn’t it?!?
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
No chance
Fulham have an owner who will invest and Mason knows Spurs are bad for his career
That’s the message isn’t it?!?
Mason appointed full-time manager it is then...
Mr Gogolak
Noé Pamarot
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment BUT I think a lot of people underestimate how massive Mourinho's reputation remains in the game. We'll never know for sure but I doubt potential managers go into so much detail when they're considering the situation. Either they think they'll succeed anywhere (including here) or they see a big-name manager (much bigger name than those linked) has failed miserably and they think they'll get burned.
It's also difficult to appreciate what kind of PR damage the ESL debacle did. There's been a lot of speculation over the financial situation of the 12 clubs and that could be on the back of some people's minds.
Again, not trying to pretend I know anything about why they'd turn us down (if anyone did) but I think that from an outsider's point of view, we may not be such an attractive proposition at the moment.
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
It’s a little annoying as I find myself getting behind an appointment in advance. Should know by now to wait until confirmed etc.
I’d be worried if we have any further dealings with Mendes considering what he served up via Mourinho. I still don’t see Southgate as a credible candidate, unless Harry has a soft spot for him he doesn’t strike me as much more than a figurehead and it’s difficult to compare the International games given the time spent with the players and the huge number of games that England have superior resources to their opponents in.
I’d be worried if we have any further dealings with Mendes considering what he served up via Mourinho. I still don’t see Southgate as a credible candidate, unless Harry has a soft spot for him he doesn’t strike me as much more than a figurehead and it’s difficult to compare the International games given the time spent with the players and the huge number of games that England have superior resources to their opponents in.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Why didn't he get the new faces he wanted? He alluded to as much with his comments before the final about the club not prioritizing winning, about needing proper furniture - he spoke at length about what a tough time the past five years had been, struggling uphill while worse managers (imo) enjoyed better backing and results.
He left because the board failed him, mate.
They are assuredly, 100%, irredeemably useless. Sissoko was always basically useless, Poch could just turn crap into gold (as you admittedly point out) by focusing on his sole attribute of physicality. That has now gone and he is the single worst, most irredeemable footballer I have had the misfortune to watch at Spurs since Pascal Chimbonda. No skill, and now no energy or physicality either. Just...nothing.
I don't know what you've seen that tells you Sanchez was improving, either - to me, his best season was his first, 2017/2018, and from there it has been a constant decline to this point. He's gotten worse each year - his decision-making has gotten worse, he's lost his physicality, he makes more and more stupid blunders per game, and his passing is no better now than it was five years ago - for a player in his early 20s to show no improvement at all (indeed, a regression) is bloody criminal.
No, they don't. The scouts hang around like a bad smell, as Steve Hitchen sticking around under Poch and Mou will attest to. Ditto the physios, ditto the club staff. The one group the manager can change is the first-team coaches, that's it. As for Hitchen himself, Mr. 'I hate January' has had the dubious distinction of buying a motley bunch of players the managers have barely used, have been constantly injured, and, barring maybe Hojbjerg, have not been successes at all. While the places he has failed to add to (CB) have been the ones where the absence of any half-decent player has hurt us the most.
Sounds good, until you realise it's in Sweden, and in the Premier League, Graham Potter is struggling to keep Brighton in 17th - something Chris Hughton could manage with relative ease.
As I recall, Roy Hodgson also had success in Sweden, and a bunch of other places besides - doesn't mean that he wouldn't be grateful to be appointed at Spurs, or that the job wouldn't be seen as one which needs a manager with more presence than him. Same for Potter, and Parker (in English football, they've both achieved roughly the same). Either would be an appointment that signifies that Levy wants a yes-man happy to be there.
This point is disputed by your subsequent point - we came to finals and made challenges, but could never get over the line. Why?
You could say it was a team failing or a management failing, but in Poch we had a legitimate genius who wanted the best for the club, and we had a good first eleven that was better than Leicester's (for instance).
We lacked depth. We lacked a good squad. And we lacked Poch's first-choices, in favour of useless cast-offs - Sissoko instead of Wijnaldum, Georges Kevin-N'koudou over Sadio Mane, no one over Grealish.
Liverpool were the classic counterpart to us, in part because they did everything we didn't do at the right times, and because they literally took our staff (Edwards, Inglethorpe, etc.) and then outbid us for our first-choice targets repeatedly.
They won everything. We won nothing.
That is where Levy and ENIC failed. A little investment to build a team to back up one of the best youth products we have ever produced would have resulted in an entirely different world right now. But they despise the idea of putting a cent into the club they bought on the cheap, and built on the cheap - they are utterly useless, skinflint deadweights that hold us back, and always have done.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The world must surely realise Mourinho is a busted flush (and has long been). George Graham never worked again after us, and Fabio Capello couldn't get a big job after England. When that dinosaur tag hits, you can't really shake it off.
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
Sorry but no one is saying you need to spend £70M on a player. I think @DubaiSpur post was absolutely spot on. Leicester are the prime example to point out here, a team who are above us, in a cup final, and well established and steady. Everything we were, but no longer. Castagne is a quality full back, £16M. Tielemans was pricey at £34M, but has proven his worth. We spent that on Sissoko who's done a job, but hardly rooted up trees. James Maddison, £9m. What on earth has happened to us?
As i said before, 3 years ago we were above United and Liverpool, the fact we're a total mess with so much deadwood and looking for another manager, it's incredulous people feel the blame isn't at Levy's feet. We can keep blaming the stadium, but even when Arsenal built emirates they managed to spend at least £10m in those days on players coming in. We've become completely stagnant.
Remember when we hammered Liverpool 4-1 at home? From that starting XI, here's who's still at the club today, and not only at the club, these players are practically the same starting XI:
Lloris
Sanchez
Toby
Winks
Dele
Aurier
Kane
Son
Sub:
Dier
Sissoko
Speaks volumes that of the 14 players that were used in that match by Tottenham, 10 of those are not only still at the club, but actively in and around the first XI. That game was 22nd October 2017, so not far off being nearly 4 years ago.
That means not only have we failed to improve the squad, but the majority of players brought in, are clearly not hitting the required notes given we are still utilising most of the same players of 4 years ago.
The lack of a DoF is huge, but there is literally no one else to blame for the above but the club hierarchy. We now face a massive 2/3 year rebuild which was explained to us 2 years ago, but once again, Levy knew best. Right?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Just been in a call with my Glasgow team.... lots of talk of Gerrard being the next boss
Great post.
So much BS posted on here. People crying out for Mourinho to be sacked, they get their wish and because a replacement isn't in 5 mins later they are throwing their toys out of the pram and shouting their usual crap about Levy. At least wait and see who is appointed before all the crying about how we are doomed...