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New New Manager Poll (The Lets Get It Right This Time Edition)
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Bishop
Paul Robinson
Bit confusing. You don't want to believe the initial media reports regarding an interest in Slot, but now want us to believe the media reports regarding Ang?
Bit contradictory....[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
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alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Whether he was on the top of our list depends on what the criteria were. We really don't know. If the primary criterion was to find the right personality first and foremost and to get someone that will pull everyone together, then it would not be a surprise that he was at or near the top of the list. He is by far the outstanding candidate in that regard. Everyone else is more or less similar in tactics. So when you look beyond that, it really boils down to who would be the best person to get his message across to the players.
Add to that that he has such an immense appeal to his teams on the human level, something that you don't find in football managers, and there you have the X factor that may make all the difference.
If the board really looked at the candidates in this context, then kudos to them for prioritizing the softer skills. It shows a real change in approach and hopefully one that will be the key to moving us forward. If there is one downside it's that, if he is successful, he'll be a really tough, if not impossible, act to follow.
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
Yeah, but we won't get the Poch "arm around the shoulder" pic.
superspurs
Vedran Corluka
Postecoglou was asked where his philosophy of football came from. His answer was a long and insightful response, which showed not only how important his Greek father was to his beliefs but also how deep-rooted his commitment to attacking football truly is.
"It's an interesting question and it's a question I probably get asked more than any other because anyone who knows me or has followed my journey as a coach knows that I'm a strong believer in the football that we play," said Postecoglou. "Often people want me to come up with this magical answer that gives them clarity on where it came from but it's very hard for me to pinpoint.
"The one overriding factor in everything I've done in football I guess, and in respect of life, is that I fell in love with the game of football. I grew up in Australia where football was not the number one sport when I was growing up in the seventies there. It was very much a part-time sort of sport and in the country's priority of sporting rankings it was probably fifth or sixth down the line.
"So for me as a young kid to fall in love with the game when all you want to do as a young person is fit in, it would have been easier for me to fall in love with the other codes in Australia. The basic reason was that we were immigrants from another country, we came from Greece, didn't know the language, didn't know a person in Australia and my father I guess in his own way, when he took us to this foreign land, he tried to find a way to connect with me as his son, who was five or six-years-old.
"He was really scared of losing me if I connected with a sport that wasn't one he understood or was familiar with, he was really big on the people I was associated with. It was just his way I guess of parenting. He had to find a connection between us.
"The reality is, like a lot of people with their parents as my story is not unique around the world, my dad didn't spend a lot of time at home with us. He was working all the time and I was conscious that he would roll up late at night, sit down at the dinner table, there wasn't much conversation and then he'd fall asleep on the couch and do the same thing the next day.
"But when it came to football he became a different person. As a young boy that really resonated with me and I figured out that if I'm going to get close with my dad, and I wanted to get close to my dad, I had to fall in love with what made him come out of his shell. In a foreign land that was football.
"The nights he would wake me up in the middle of the night, I remember getting a tap on the shoulder and knowing there must be a game on on the other side of the world. I would sit down on the couch with my father and watch the game. I fell in love with the game in those moments.
"Inevitably his influence was that he loved the players that would excite so he would love a player like your dad Anthony (former Chelsea and England international Alan Hudson), and the entertainers of the time. He would always point them out to me. He loved Ferenc Puskas and the Hungarian team of the 50s and 60s. He loved Leeds United with Eddie Gray dribbling and Peter Lorimer hitting bombs. For people of today's generation I'm talking a long time ago.
"They were the people that excited him and he kept pointing them out to me. The 1974 World Cup, the Dutch team that played there, we sat up in the middle of the night because in Australia it was on then.
"I just think that somehow subliminally all of those things became a part of me and my philosophy and how I want my teams to play is just an extension of me. It's why if I've had success it's because people are willing to follow me on the journey because I'm not trying to impose something on them that I've learned or that we've seen somewhere else and I've tried to copy.
"They just see it as an extension of me. It's a lot easier to believe in something or someone when that message that's coming from them is a genuine one. It comes from them.
"So that whole upbringing of mine, when I got into coaching I sit there as a coach and I want my team to have the ball. I get no satisfaction from setting up the defensive structure that stops an opposition. That just doesn't excite me. I get excited when my team has the ball. So if that's what excites me so I set up my teams to have the ball and I set up my teams to get the ball back quickly. I set up my teams to score goals and excite.
"My father passed away two years ago and it's the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life because it made me realise how entwined he was in everything I had done in football and in life in many respects. I crystallised after he passed away that what I'm really doing is I'm putting out teams and building teams to play in a way that my dad would have enjoyed watching.
"I'm always thinking about if he's sat in the stands and watching this game, is he liking what my team is doing? When it's something that strong it's impossible to shift me. You can't shift me from what I believe. As I said, if I've had success with teams it's because the players and the staff and everyone in the club has seen that and then see that ok this guy, this is part of who he is, so it's not an idea that's going to change."
"It's an interesting question and it's a question I probably get asked more than any other because anyone who knows me or has followed my journey as a coach knows that I'm a strong believer in the football that we play," said Postecoglou. "Often people want me to come up with this magical answer that gives them clarity on where it came from but it's very hard for me to pinpoint.
"The one overriding factor in everything I've done in football I guess, and in respect of life, is that I fell in love with the game of football. I grew up in Australia where football was not the number one sport when I was growing up in the seventies there. It was very much a part-time sort of sport and in the country's priority of sporting rankings it was probably fifth or sixth down the line.
"So for me as a young kid to fall in love with the game when all you want to do as a young person is fit in, it would have been easier for me to fall in love with the other codes in Australia. The basic reason was that we were immigrants from another country, we came from Greece, didn't know the language, didn't know a person in Australia and my father I guess in his own way, when he took us to this foreign land, he tried to find a way to connect with me as his son, who was five or six-years-old.
"He was really scared of losing me if I connected with a sport that wasn't one he understood or was familiar with, he was really big on the people I was associated with. It was just his way I guess of parenting. He had to find a connection between us.
"The reality is, like a lot of people with their parents as my story is not unique around the world, my dad didn't spend a lot of time at home with us. He was working all the time and I was conscious that he would roll up late at night, sit down at the dinner table, there wasn't much conversation and then he'd fall asleep on the couch and do the same thing the next day.
"But when it came to football he became a different person. As a young boy that really resonated with me and I figured out that if I'm going to get close with my dad, and I wanted to get close to my dad, I had to fall in love with what made him come out of his shell. In a foreign land that was football.
"The nights he would wake me up in the middle of the night, I remember getting a tap on the shoulder and knowing there must be a game on on the other side of the world. I would sit down on the couch with my father and watch the game. I fell in love with the game in those moments.
"Inevitably his influence was that he loved the players that would excite so he would love a player like your dad Anthony (former Chelsea and England international Alan Hudson), and the entertainers of the time. He would always point them out to me. He loved Ferenc Puskas and the Hungarian team of the 50s and 60s. He loved Leeds United with Eddie Gray dribbling and Peter Lorimer hitting bombs. For people of today's generation I'm talking a long time ago.
"They were the people that excited him and he kept pointing them out to me. The 1974 World Cup, the Dutch team that played there, we sat up in the middle of the night because in Australia it was on then.
"I just think that somehow subliminally all of those things became a part of me and my philosophy and how I want my teams to play is just an extension of me. It's why if I've had success it's because people are willing to follow me on the journey because I'm not trying to impose something on them that I've learned or that we've seen somewhere else and I've tried to copy.
"They just see it as an extension of me. It's a lot easier to believe in something or someone when that message that's coming from them is a genuine one. It comes from them.
"So that whole upbringing of mine, when I got into coaching I sit there as a coach and I want my team to have the ball. I get no satisfaction from setting up the defensive structure that stops an opposition. That just doesn't excite me. I get excited when my team has the ball. So if that's what excites me so I set up my teams to have the ball and I set up my teams to get the ball back quickly. I set up my teams to score goals and excite.
"My father passed away two years ago and it's the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life because it made me realise how entwined he was in everything I had done in football and in life in many respects. I crystallised after he passed away that what I'm really doing is I'm putting out teams and building teams to play in a way that my dad would have enjoyed watching.
"I'm always thinking about if he's sat in the stands and watching this game, is he liking what my team is doing? When it's something that strong it's impossible to shift me. You can't shift me from what I believe. As I said, if I've had success with teams it's because the players and the staff and everyone in the club has seen that and then see that ok this guy, this is part of who he is, so it's not an idea that's going to change."
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
Was not my first choice but that stuffs all for personal ego. Most important thing is can he do the job. From whats been said and see his greatest skills seem to be bringing a group together and playing a high octane attacking style. As with everything time will tell but till then full backing and full steam ahead from me.
Mr Gogolak
Steven Caulker
I don't think anyone can deny that we made some huge strides over the past 20 years. However, things can change and in football less than anywhere else, you can't live on past glories. Basically, you want three things from your chairman: have a good structure throughout the club, a sound management of the financial side and making the right decisions when it comes to appointing the manager.
Levy's skills served us well for a time but it remains to be seen whether he can adapt to the new landscape. When he started out, ManUre were ruling English football and there was no clubs directly funded by The Covid crisis hit us as hard as anyone else but it seems there's a huge recession looming over Europe in general and football in particular. Whether he's got what it takes to deal with that remains to be seen. If he doesn't, he'll get found out soon enough but my initial point was that whatever good he did 20 years ago is somewhat irrelevant in the current context.
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
Will support the guy 100% and I’m intrigued as to what he can do and how it’ll play out. Im looking forward to something better than the eyesore football we’ve endured over the last few years. But, honestly, I think he’ll be gone before the season is over.
He won’t be given what he needs in terms of personnel, his track record isn’t at a level that will command respect amongst a group like ours and he’ll prove tactically naive when we play the top sides.
If I’m right, I don’t know how many more goes Levy gets at this. He’s the problem, not the managers.
Maybe it’s been explained elsewhere but it’s bizarre to me we’re appointing the first team coach before a DoF.
He won’t be given what he needs in terms of personnel, his track record isn’t at a level that will command respect amongst a group like ours and he’ll prove tactically naive when we play the top sides.
If I’m right, I don’t know how many more goes Levy gets at this. He’s the problem, not the managers.
Maybe it’s been explained elsewhere but it’s bizarre to me we’re appointing the first team coach before a DoF.
Lemonade Money
Luka Modric
That's the spirit.
Gazza
Johnny Morrison
Yeah but people were saying to be patient and that we needed a DoF in first who will then control the appointment of a manager, Levys got this etc ... shows how much people actually know
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
Haha this club has fudging broken me. I kept enthusiastic through the 90s, to the extent I was betting my United supporting mates we could finish ahead of them with Gerry the Mullet. I even supported Ossie to the bitter end.
But the insufferable brick of the last 4 years has broken me. I can’t see any way we don’t fall out of the “top 6/7”. Prove me wrong Ange/Levy.
tommysvr
Paul Stalteri
Just go with this for a bit - he probably won't win us the Premier League or the Champions League, but it's going to be enjoyable. And he'll make you love Tottenham again, I have all the confidence in the world of that.
Gazza
Johnny Morrison
Don't do it ... you are still hanging on to some sort of hope from this sodding club
DeanoAustin
Paul Walsh
I hope you’re right, I really do. Like the guy from what I’ve heard and the thought of proper football excites me.
If he gets us challenging for top 4 (finishing top 6) and challenging for a cup and doesn’t get spanked regularly by the top sides, I’ll be happy.
Nope, the thing that made it obvious was his interview after the cup win. There and then he had the opportunity after everything to send a signal to Celtic fans that he was staying, or at least something to calm down the speculation but he didn't. And confirmation Romano saying terms have been agreed and details length of deal - he never did this with Slot did he....
Yiddo
Les Medley
According to Celtic fans, he didn’t hit the ground running and they were looking at it as confirmation that he was a joke of an appointment, 3 months on and they were made to retract the statement.
Like any new system, it will take a while to get it too click.
glasgowspur
Barry Daines
I've always been a short term pessimist, long time optimist when it comes to spurs, think this turns that on its head.
Short term post will bring us together, but longer term i just can't see it working out.
If he gets to next Christmas i think it will be some kind of miracle, and that will be on the board not the manager.
Yiddo
Les Medley
I would say the managers are at fault in my opinion, smaller teams have had coaches who have made teams a lot weaker than ours successful and have them playing really good stuff. The appointments may have been Levy’s fault but apart from Nuno, he signed coaches that the majority of the fan base were shouting for.
You always hear fans mentioning if these so called “world class” managers were at a club that they don’t have an open cheque book with would they be able to be as successful as the big teams they were at? and i think it has been proven. They ultimately need lots of money to get the team they want rather than coaching and adapting to the players they have. This is why IMO Conte and Mourinho failed.
Why would that concern you?
To the last point, I'd say at this moment, there is no choice. If you want a manager to get in, have a say on players to keep/go, and get a full pre-season we have to make a decision now.
I'm assuming that our DoF is in a similar bind to the managers we were looking at (i.e. they are employed), so assuming we now negotiate, they move across, they learn the club, then start to make decisions, it's probably a minimum lost month or two.
I'd assume we have taken the risk knowing we have to make some of these decisions in parallel.