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Mousa Dembele

DMac said:
When that happens you then bring the backup in. So for example:

Sandro/Holtby
Moutinho/Carroll --- Dembele/Sigurdsson
Lennon/someone---Benteke/Michu --- Bale/Townsend

So a quality backup in every position and you rotate all the players so they all stay fresh. That is essentially what SAF does. I think with those players players, perhaps Nani as the 'someone', we could challenge for the league next season.
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Yes, but Carroll is nowhere near 'moutinho'.


We've seen it in previous seasons. Modric gets injured and then our attacking play goes to pot because we relied upon him so heavily.


United don't have a Modric or a Moutinho. They seem to get by pretty well.
 
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I remember against West Brom last year we had no Modric yet we bossed them and won comfortably. In fact did we ever lose when Modric didn't play (take away Man Utd opening day)
 
Spursalot said:
This idea makes little sense to me. Mostly because last season we had Modric and Vdv and we still struggled against teams that parked the bus. Is this mysterious 'top notch passer' going to have more creativity than both of them combined?

A clinical striker means that you no longer need to create as many chances against the 'park the bus' teams. As soon as the first goes in, they have to come out and play and the gaps open up.
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Hmmm, you may have a point... Although our home record was rather more impressive W13/D3/L3/F39/A17 comapred to this season' W8/D5/L3/F25/A17 :-k

Spursalot said:
Yes, but Carroll is nowhere near 'moutinho'.

We've seen it in previous seasons. Modric gets injured and then our attacking play goes to pot because we relied upon him so heavily.

United don't have a Modric or a Moutinho. They seem to get by pretty well.
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I guess that's because Fergie always spends big money on bringing in top notch strikers who can pop up with vital goals even when feeding off of scraps. Unfortunately great goal scorers command the highest transfer fees and wages, so until we move into the new stadium and have regular CL football then it's unlikely that we'll be signing a 25+ goals a season striker let alone have 2 like ManU.

Would be nice if our midfield could chip in with more goals though, as Modric' Achilles heel was that he would miss 9 chances for every goal that he scored. Despite being a former striker, Dembele hasn't looked like being prolific this season. Guess Jenas was the last CMF we had who threatened to get double figures in a season.
 
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Mumorn said:
Hasn't Gareth Bale got 20 goals this season?
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Bale' got 17 in the league, so far... the last Tottenham player to get 20+ league goals in a season was Klinsmann in 94/95 but he finished 5th in the race for the Golden Boot that season, Sheringham in 92/93 was the last PL Top Scorer we had.
 
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Bale's been playing up front though and scored a lot of goals from playing in the hole so not really the classical goal scoring midfielder that we have lacked for so long. Poyet was the last one we had.
 
Spursalot said:
Yes, but Carroll is nowhere near 'moutinho'.


We've seen it in previous seasons. Modric gets injured and then our attacking play goes to pot because we relied upon him so heavily.


United don't have a Modric or a Moutinho. They seem to get by pretty well.
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United don't play that great football but regardless they have world class strikers that win games for them. Bayern are the opposite - world class midfield but not as good strikers.

We can't afford 3 top class strikers but we can afford a top class midfielder I think. We need to buy 5 players this summer - A midfielder, two strikers, a winger, and a left back.

I think something like: Moutinho/Clasie, Benteke, Aubameyang, Nani, and Shaw would be good business this summer. Obviously a lot of money spend but we can sell players. Bottom line is we need to spend around 20 million net if we want to progress as a team.
 
Mumorn said:
I reckon he could be our Yaya.

He can easily beat players with his ability on the ball and strength like Toure but he doesn't force himself in the box enough like Toure. I do think that's more to the way he's managed though. I think you put Sandro next to him and then a creative midfielder in a 3 midfield, I'd love to see him attack more.
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I watched him play for Fulham in 2011 against a familiar foe, when he was played further forwards (just off Zamora). Even then he seemed to lack that killer instinct offensively - he dropped deep, subsequently dribbled well from deep, and was never really a threat in the box.
 
DMac said:
Bayern are the opposite - world class midfield but not as good strikers.
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Both Gomez and Madzukic are in the Top 20 world strikers, imv - strange comment.

Very good call on Nani, btw - would be a great addition, although I'd imagine he'd be heading to Russia / Ukraine / Turkey for a massive paycheque
 
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Dembele looked the business once again today, however only after the substitutions were made.


Is he on too tight a leash in a midfield two? It would seem to be the case.
 
Spursalot said:
Dembele looked the business once again today, however only after the substitutions were made.


Is he on too tight a leash in a midfield two? It would seem to be the case.
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There was no space, so apart from destroying he couldnt do a lot...

He is never going to dribble past 5 players. Then space came and he pushed a lot. Dont think he lost his battle vs Toure.
 
Spursalot said:
Dembele looked the business once again today, however only after the substitutions were made.


Is he on too tight a leash in a midfield two? It would seem to be the case.
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I think its a about the general team shape. Having 2 players alongside him who can release the ball quickly to the wide players make the whole pitch bigger, as the opposition have to consider the threats out there and cant just pack the middle. Just look how much parker spins and looks to pass inside - it becomes very narrow and easy to defend against. I think the insurance also helps; with Sandro next to him you can tell him to do what he wants, as Sandro almost covers the ground of two men.
 
thejazzman said:
I think its a about the general team shape. Having 2 players alongside him who can release the ball quickly to the wide players make the whole pitch bigger, as the opposition have to consider the threats out there and cant just pack the middle. Just look how much parker spins and looks to pass inside - it becomes very narrow and easy to defend against. I think the insurance also helps; with Sandro next to him you can tell him to do what he wants, as Sandro almost covers the ground of two men.
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Yeah that is my read on it too. The Parker/Dembele combo doesn't really work. It was like Dembele was let off the leash with the formation change.
 
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