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Mousa Dembele

Gilzeantoscore said:
People wanted him gone, because he was brick. I'll bet the management were of the same mind, he was given a last chance, a rocket up his arse and he has since improved.
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Absolute rubbish - he was never brick, these same people even suggested that Mason was a better option at the time! As laughable as your post above.
 
milo said:
@kanoute16 @Gilzeantoscore - I don't remember many people saying that he should be sold. There was discussion about whether he would be happy to remain at the club if he was a squad player but that was based on him making up the numbers in the three behind Kane and before he re-established himself at the base of midfield.
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milo said:
I don't remember anyone spacegoating him. In fact even amongst those who questioned his position in the squad, there was widespread recognition of his ability.

The question was how would he fit into a Poch team and whether his tendency to dwell on the ball made him unsuitable for a central midfield role in this team.

The situation has changed since then. Dembele's form has increased significantly, to the point that he is playing the best football of his Spurs career and he has greatly improved on the weaker elements of his game.
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milo said:
I can't remember reading those but I generally avoid the OMTs because of this type of over reaction.

I think that what I have said is a fair representation of most of the views of the posters who were unsure of his long term position in the squad last summer/autumn.

I think that it is worth remembering that even amongst his most ardent supporters at that time, very few were calling for him to play his current role in the team.
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Hmmm.....having some memory problems mate? ;)
 
kanoute16 said:
Absolute rubbish - he was never brick, these same people even suggested that Mason was a better option at the time! As laughable as your post above.
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He was brick! He didn't defend, he didn't create , he didn't score. All he did was dribble up blind alleys and hold onto the ball too long. He was dropped for a reason. Seems some on here want to re-write history. Yeah, he's playing well now, but he wasn't then, despite having consummate skills. I happily admit to being one who wanted him out of the side. It was a justified position, due to his performances.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
He was brick! He didn't defend, he didn't create , he didn't score. All he did was dribble up blind alleys and hold onto the ball too long. He was dropped for a reason. Seems some on here want to re-write history. Yeah, he's playing well now, but he wasn't then, despite having consummate skills. I happily admit to being one who wanted him out of the side. It was a justified position, due to his performances.
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I am pretty much agreed on this. I was in two minds over getting rid of him, but only because it was so clear the talent was there. His performances were nothing more than mediocre.

What a transformation!
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
He was brick! He didn't defend, he didn't create , he didn't score. All he did was dribble up blind alleys and hold onto the ball too long. He was dropped for a reason. Seems some on here want to re-write history. Yeah, he's playing well now, but he wasn't then, despite having consummate skills. I happily admit to being one who wanted him out of the side. It was a justified position, due to his performances.
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He wasn't brick at all. He just tended not to dominate games in the way someone with his ability should. It's not like he's doing anything now that he didn't do before, he's simply doing it on a more consistent basis. I'm assuming Pochs fitness demands have also helped massively. I'm curious as to how good Jenas should have been under Poch as I believe he also was someone with the same sort of bility but maybe mentality amongst other things prevented him having that consistency and ability to dominate games the way he potentially could have. I bet Poch would have got the best out of him too....
 
harr1984 said:
He wasn't brick at all. He just tended not to dominate games in the way someone with his ability should. It's not like he's doing anything now that he didn't do before, he's simply doing it on a more consistent basis. I'm assuming Pochs fitness demands have also helped massively. I'm curious as to how good Jenas should have been under Poch as I believe he also was someone with the same sort of bility but maybe mentality amongst other things prevented him having that consistency and ability to dominate games the way he potentially could have. I bet Poch would have got the best out of him too....
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Yeah he was so good that....Poch dropped him from the first team and he barely played after that. He only got back in due to injuries to replacements. Yes he's doing well now, but he wasn't before!
 
I think saying "he was sh.it" is oversimplifying. What you mean is, he always had talent but his OUTPUT was sh.it.

He would do good things like hold off two men, beat a third, break the lines, then turn back into trouble and have to beat them all again, rather than passing. Or he would get into a good shooting position but then lay if off so someone already marked, passing up the opportunity.

This is what has changed, he passes when he should and shoots when he should and does the right thing, rather than choosing the wrong option all the time.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Yeah he was so good that....Poch dropped him from the first team and he barely played after that. He only got back in due to injuries to replacements. Yes he's doing well now, but he wasn't before!
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Ok you can paint whatever picture you want, if you want to go with Poch just stumbling across Dembele due to injuries then go for it. Poch had a lot of CMs to look at, they all had decent opportunities to show what they could do. The ones that he didn't rate he got rid of, if Poch didn't want Dembele he wouldn't be here now its as simple as that. There are plenty of quotes from Poch before this season had started where he says he recognises Dembeles talents and just need to figure out how best to utilise them, and low and behold he has....
 
harr1984 said:
Ok you can paint whatever picture you want, if you want to go with Poch just stumbling across Dembele due to injuries then go for it. Poch had a lot of CMs to look at, they all had decent opportunities to show what they could do. The ones that he didn't rate he got rid of, if Poch didn't want Dembele he wouldn't be here now its as simple as that. There are plenty of quotes from Poch before this season had started where he says he recognises Dembeles talents and just need to figure out how best to utilise them, and low and behold he has....
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Yeah right...reassuring words from Poch, now where have I heard them before... that's right he made them about Ade, he made them about Townsend. Meaningless. The fact is, that Dembele was dropped from the team and was out for months. However, you deny that he was playing badly and that my saying he was is simply "painting a picture." Pot calling the kettle black methinks. P.S I never said that Poch wanted to get rid of him, I simply said that he was playing brick at the beginning of last season.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Yeah right...reassuring words from Poch, now where have I heard them before... that's right he made them about Ade, he made them about Townsend. Meaningless. The fact is, that Dembele was dropped from the team and was out for months. However, you deny that he was playing badly and that my saying he was is simply "painting a picture." Pot calling the kettle black methinks. P.S I never said that Poch wanted to get rid of him, I simply said that he was playing brick at the beginning of last season.
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Well we shall just have to disagree about him being rubbish beginning of last season, he was average - just not playing to his true potential.

As for citing Ade and Townsend Poch never said anything about them beyond the classic 'part of my plans' line. With Dembele he specifically identified it was his intention to play him and get the best out of him:

'It's true the last season was difficult for him, but only was it difficult for him at Tottenham – with his national team too.

'It's for that reason we need to try to provide him the best position on the pitch or try to find the best position for him, to show the quality that he has.'
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Yeah right...reassuring words from Poch, now where have I heard them before... that's right he made them about Ade, he made them about Townsend. Meaningless. The fact is, that Dembele was dropped from the team and was out for months. However, you deny that he was playing badly and that my saying he was is simply "painting a picture." Pot calling the kettle black methinks. P.S I never said that Poch wanted to get rid of him, I simply said that he was playing brick at the beginning of last season.
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But this season he's one of your favourite players, right?
 
kanoute16 said:
Absolute rubbish - he was never brick, these same people even suggested that Mason was a better option at the time! As laughable as your post above.
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Mason was the better option at the time, because he moved the ball more quickly in a system that required people to move the ball quickly. Now Dembele is moving the ball more quickly but still has the added attributes that we all no he has. So Dembele is now the better option.
 
Pandy said:
I am pretty much agreed on this. I was in two minds over getting rid of him, but only because it was so clear the talent was there. His performances were nothing more than mediocre.

What a transformation!
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That was the way I thought as well, I never doubted his ability but he seem to rarely show it. Now he seems to be more focused.
 
parklane1 said:
That was the way I thought as well, I never doubted his ability but he seem to rarely show it. Now he seems to be more focused.
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I seem to recall discussion at the time suggesting partly the reason he was brick was because he was following negative AVB instructions (retain possession at all costs, stay back, hold position, stuff like that).
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
He was brick! He didn't defend, he didn't create , he didn't score. All he did was dribble up blind alleys and hold onto the ball too long. He was dropped for a reason. Seems some on here want to re-write history. Yeah, he's playing well now, but he wasn't then, despite having consummate skills. I happily admit to being one who wanted him out of the side. It was a justified position, due to his performances.
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Or some people just pick a player to pieces because they do not like them then have to back track when he comes good. You were wrong about Dembele just admit it.
I sat next to a suppoter on Sunday who spent the whole match slagging Eriksen then cheered her fat lungs out when he scored the winner. I had to point out to her the hypocrisy, I don't like sharing my football club with these kinds of spurs fans - they are not worthy! Guess I'm just doing the same thing here :)
 
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