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Mitt Romney the next new leader of the free world!!!

Rubio looks like the ideal candidate for the Republicans and would appeal to the Hispanic vote. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sounded out for the VP spot, but suspect he is keeping well clear this time.

But is he right wing enough to get the nomination? He's have to appeal to the Republican base and you don't get baser than that.
 
Holy brick, Clinton just destroyed the Republicans in his speech. jizzed my pants several times. Watching the Fox News rebuttal has been highly entertaining. ****suckers.
 
Some Republican advisor went live on CNN calling it 'the moment that won the election for Obama' or something similar.

That was a political masterclass from Clinton. Started off slow, praised his opponents, offered a hope of 'co-operation', and then absolutely destroyed the Ryan-Romney ticket in forty or so minutes of crowd-pleasing rhetoric interspersed with carefully-selected facts and humorous jabs at the opposition. Wasn't completely true, but then what great speech is?

CNN called it his greatest speech. I'm inclined to agree. Obama's just been given an enormous fillip by 'papa bear', as the news anchors referred to him. I'm earnestly hoping he doesn't fritter it away.
 
Fox News said it was long and boring and self-indulgent. This is the most I've heard conservatives mention "fact checking". Unfortunately, their version of fact checking involves regurgitating old points they or other conservatives and their think tanks have made. This alternate reality that conservatives have created for themselves is an echo chamber of falsehoods. But I understand why they're so defensive after last night. Clinton systematically disassembled their framework and supported most of his claims with facts.
 
The real problem, once again, is that in US politics you have to play to your audience, and if they feel someone's too smart, then it gets weird. That Clinton is a brilliant mind (and his speech was excellent) is beyond reproach. What, sadly, isn't, is the fact that some will now say he talks 'down' to 'real' people...and, by proxy, Obama does too. Remember, also, that race will become an issue again. It's a safe haven in times of dirty fighting. Seriously, if the US public votes Romney and Ryan into office, I genuinely fear for the country's stability in the international arena, and it's safety domestically. Those two fudging clowns would cause such devastating isolation. Again, the intelligence of Obama and Clinton and Michelle is (sadly, pathetically) starting to worry me!!!! Remember Gore in 99/2000 and how he royally fudged it up by appearing to ****y. That the election was 'stolen' might well be, but that it should even have got close enough to be pilfered was a tragedy...
 
The real problem, once again, is that in US politics you have to play to your audience, and if they feel someone's too smart, then it gets weird. That Clinton is a brilliant mind (and his speech was excellent) is beyond reproach. What, sadly, isn't, is the fact that some will now say he talks 'down' to 'real' people...and, by proxy, Obama does too. Remember, also, that race will become an issue again. It's a safe haven in times of dirty fighting. Seriously, if the US public votes Romney and Ryan into office, I genuinely fear for the country's stability in the international arena, and it's safety domestically. Those two fudging clowns would cause such devastating isolation. Again, the intelligence of Obama and Clinton and Michelle is (sadly, pathetically) starting to worry me!!!! Remember Gore in 99/2000 and how he royally fudged it up by appearing to ****y. That the election was 'stolen' might well be, but that it should even have got close enough to be pilfered was a tragedy...

I think Obama has a lot of past experiences and foibles to draw on from those other candidates as you mentioned, and from his own tenure as president. But if he loses, I'd seriously consider leaving the country.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-bill-clintons-speeches-succeed/262032/

I feel that the two political parties in the US are like sports teams. You pick one, sometimes arbitrarily, and other times because their platform conforms to your beliefs. However, when the platform keeps creeping away from where you once stood while the politicians tell bold-faced lies to your face, wanting to switch political parties is psychologically akin to rooting for your team's biggest rival, IMO. Not only that, but it can be seen as compromising on your principles (when in reality, the party was the culprit).

Just to clarify, I don't belong to either political party, although if I had to pick one the choice would be obvious. I'm curious to see how Obama is going to follow up in tonight's speech.
 
Politics is mostly about PR when you start talking about the majority votes. People vote for reasons they understand, not necessarily the right reasons to be governed well. I'm generalising I know.
 
Politics is mostly about PR when you start talking about the majority votes. People vote for reasons they understand, not necessarily the right reasons to be governed well. I'm generalising I know.

I think this is both true and a problem.
 
Nothing directly to do with the Presidential election, but it does involve a policy plank of Romney ...

A freedom loving Republican, Maryland state house delegate Emmett C. Burns Jr, has written to the Baltimore Ravens NFL team asking them to sanction a player for stating a political view in public and forbid him from further statements ....

"I find it inconceivable that one of your players, Mr. Brendon Ayanbadejo would publicly endorse Same-Sex marriage, specifically as a Raven Football player. Many of my constituents and your football supporters are appalled and aghast that a member of the Ravens Football Team would step into this controversial divide and try to sway public opinion one way or the other.

"Many of your fans are opposed to such a view and feel it has no place in a sport that is strictly for pride, entertainment and excitement. I believe Mr. Ayanbadejo should concentrate on football and steer clear of dividing the fan base.

"I am requesting that you take the necessary action, as a National Football League Owner, to inhibit such expressions from your employees and that he be ordered to cease and desist such injurious actions. I know of no other NFL player who has done what Mr. Ayanbadejo is doing."


Emmett C. Burns Jr,


A fellow footballer, Minnesota Vikings punter Chris Kluwe, has spoken up for his fellow player:

Dear Emmett C. Burns Jr.,

I find it inconceivable that you are an elected official of Maryland's state government. Your vitriolic hatred and bigotry make me ashamed and disgusted to think that you are in any way responsible for shaping policy at any level. The views you espouse neglect to consider several fundamental key points, which I will outline in great detail (you may want to hire an intern to help you with the longer words):

1. As I suspect you have not read the Constitution, I would like to remind you that the very first, the VERY FIRST Amendment in this founding document deals with the freedom of speech, particularly the abridgment of said freedom. By using your position as an elected official (when referring to your constituents so as to implicitly threaten the Ravens organization) to state that the Ravens should "inhibit such expressions from your employees," more specifically Brendon Ayanbadejo, not only are you clearly violating the First Amendment, you also come across as a narcissistic fromunda stain. What on earth would possess you to be so mind-boggingly stupid? It baffles me that a man such as yourself, a man who relies on that same First Amendment to pursue your own religious studies without fear of persecution from the state, could somehow justify stifling another person's right to speech. To call that hypocritical would be to do a disservice to the word. Mindfudging obscenely hypocritical starts to approach it a little bit.

2. "Many of your fans are opposed to such a view and feel it has no place in a sport that is strictly for pride, entertainment, and excitement." Holy fudging brickballs. Did you seriously just say that, as someone who's "deeply involved in government task forces on the legacy of slavery in Maryland"? Have you not heard of Kenny Washington? Jackie Robinson? As recently as 1962 the NFL still had segregation, which was only done away with by brave athletes and coaches daring to speak their mind and do the right thing, and you're going to say that political views have "no place in a sport"? I can't even begin to fathom the cognitive dissonance that must be coursing through your rapidly addled mind right now; the mental gymnastics your brain has to tortuously contort itself through to make such a preposterous statement are surely worthy of an Olympic gold medal (the Russian judge gives you a 10 for "beautiful oppressionism").

3. This is more a personal quibble of mine, but why do you hate freedom? Why do you hate the fact that other people want a chance to live their lives and be happy, even though they may believe in something different than you, or act different than you? How does gay marriage, in any way shape or form, affect your life? If gay marriage becomes legal, are you worried that all of a sudden you'll start thinking about penis? "Oh brick. Gay marriage just passed. Gotta get me some of that hot dong action!" Will all of your friends suddenly turn gay and refuse to come to your Sunday Ticket grill-outs? (Unlikely, since gay people enjoy watching football too.)

I can assure you that gay people getting married will have zero effect on your life. They won't come into your house and steal your children. They won't magically turn you into a lustful ****monster. They won't even overthrow the government in an orgy of hedonistic debauchery because all of a sudden they have the same legal rights as the other 90 percent of our population—rights like Social Security benefits, child care tax credits, Family and Medical Leave to take care of loved ones, and COBRA healthcare for spouses and children. You know what having these rights will make gays? Full-fledged American citizens just like everyone else, with the freedom to pursue happiness and all that entails. Do the civil-rights struggles of the past 200 years mean absolutely nothing to you?

In closing, I would like to say that I hope this letter, in some small way, causes you to reflect upon the magnitude of the colossal foot in mouth clusterfudge you so brazenly unleashed on a man whose only crime was speaking out for something he believed in. Best of luck in the next election; I'm fairly certain you might need it.

Sincerely,
Chris Kluwe

P.S. I've also been vocal as hell about the issue of gay marriage so you can take your "I know of no other NFL player who has done what Mr. Ayanbadejo is doing" and shove it in your close-minded, totally lacking in empathy piehole and choke on it. Asshole.

http://deadspin.com/5941348/?utm_ca...source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
 
Nothing directly to do with the Presidential election, but it does involve a policy plank of Romney ...

A freedom loving Republican, Maryland state house delegate Emmett C. Burns Jr, has written to the Baltimore Ravens NFL team asking them to sanction a player for stating a political view in public and forbid him from further statements ....




A fellow footballer, Minnesota Vikings punter Chris Kluwe, has spoken up for his fellow player:


Absolutely blinding!!!!! Top marks that man!
 
Do you expect anything less from Clinton? Mad mic skills.

If he was a wrestler he'd be a cross between The Rock and HBK (ladykiller and all that)...


I felt both Michelle and Barack Obama's speeches were absolute belters in their own right. I know it is a political convention and what speeches are trying to achieve/sell, but I fell for both hook, line and sinker. Personally touching, interactivity and inclusion for voters of all parties. Excellently delivered.
 
Personally I find that personal journey crap embarrassing, but the Americans just seem to lap it up. It's all rehearsed and of course completely scripted. The American politician and the American politician's wives have the insincerity market cornered and I love the way they do it in such an un-selfconscious way. "Hey I know I have an income of half a squillion dollars a month, but I'm wearing a blue shirt and i'm drinking a beer and eating a hotdog, watching the ballgame...I'm one of you." Ha, ha.
 
Personally I find that personal journey crap embarrassing, but the Americans just seem to lap it up. It's all rehearsed and of course completely scripted. The American politician and the American politician's wives have the insincerity market cornered and I love the way they do it in such an un-selfconscious way. "Hey I know I have an income of half a squillion dollars a month, but I'm wearing a blue shirt and i'm drinking a beer and eating a hotdog, watching the ballgame...I'm one of you." Ha, ha.

It's also interesting seeing them do this in the different cultural regions of America.
What's especially painful/amusing is to see Romney talking to minorities, especially "the blacks" (to put it in Trump's words).

But speaking honestly, I know which candidate I'd rather have a beer with. More importantly, I know which candidate will do a better job leading this country.
 
That letter from the punter is brilliant. Sadly surprising that a professional sportsman could come out with it!

Point C is absolutely how I feel.
 
47% of Americans pay no income tax. So according to Mitt they are all rich tax dodgers? Presumably some of those 47% are under the age of employment, retired OT maybe just not earning enough to actually pay income tax?

Or am I reading that all wrong?
 
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