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Mauricio Pochettino

Baleforce said:
you either have principles or you don't
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Well, you share common ground with that hugely 'principled' man dingdong Cheney, who said similar ("If you're a man of principle, then compromise is a bit of a dirty word")...which is, of course, flimflam, but there we are I suppose.

Baleforce said:
if you are not prepared to suffer for those principles, do you really have them?
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I suppose it depends on your definition of 'suffering'.


Baleforce said:
the world is in a perilous place, the US is teetering on full tyranny, if now is not the time to stand up and be counted then when is?

this is nothing to do with football, this is about freedom and democracy, everyone that has enabled this is guilty by association

c'mon man, you live there, you know what is at stake here
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Yes I do. And you don't. I understand deeply what's at stake, and I also understand deeply that there things at play which make playing Sir Gallahad impossible.


Baleforce said:
there is not another person in the US in this calendar year that was in the position of strength to embarrass and humiliate trump in the way that Poch could have done it this week
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Absolute rubbish. I mean, it is. There are people in the US on a weekly basis in positions of far greater strength that do nothing. Daily. Weekly. Why do you think we are where we are?


Baleforce said:
he could have humbled a tyrant, and boosted the soul of the game in one fell swoop

he hid, he was complicit, he was a disgrace
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I was disappointed in him in one sense, certainly, yet as I said, I don't know the full details of what was said. And honestly, I don't think anyone ever will.
I will personally wait for the facts before slamming him to the floor like you have...Infantino? Now THERE'S your quivering pile of thick, steaming complicity and disgracefulness...
 
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K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
If you truly believe the crap you write about cheating you're morally bankrupt.
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Cheating on a football pitch, in front of the cameras and the spectators isn’t really cheating in my book, it’s finding edge and flex in the officiating of the game, it’s a valid path to winning.

Off the pitch, outside of that, it’s a whole different conversation.
 
Baleforce said:
Cheating on a football pitch, in front of the cameras and the spectators isn’t really cheating in my book, it’s finding edge and flex in the officiating of the game, it’s a valid path to winning.

Off the pitch, outside of that, it’s a whole different conversation.
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So it's ok for Trump to find an edge and flex officiating of a game and get Balogun's ban to be suspended. Your book sounds like a real best seller.
 
(For existential conversationalists and rabbit holers only LOL)...there's an ugly truth about principles, and that is that they have to be balanced against context and ego. Ego can lead people to make very poor decisions based on the concept of principles. For example; I hate Arsenal. I will never ever wear an Arsenal shirt, not for a tenner, not for a million. It's a principle I hold, I think they're scum and I refuse to wear their bricky shirt. A family member is struggling tremendously with assisted living bills, and none of us have the money to really make a difference. Some rich tossy Gooner swaggers up to me in the pub and says that if I wear an Arsenal shirt in a mini-skirt and shout 'We Hate Tottenham' they will give me 100k in cash (they show me the cash). Do I allow my 'principles' to tell them to go fudge themselves, or do I make peace with 10 minutes of potential humiliation and a possible social media post to get the money and help my family? Is that moral bankruptcy? Prostitution? Pragmatism? Taking one for the team?

The example scales up, particularly in countries where people's lives and families are threatened if they don't 'do' certain things. I am sure we all have a line we'd draw, but the biggest principle most of us would hold is to defend our family at any cost, no?

So for me, these are much deeper questions than they might appear, and I have lived very much to certain principles and still do.

Given this is a Poch thread, I'll say this about him. I think how he emerges from this entire scenario is going to tell us an awful lot about who he is...
 
thfcsteff said:
(For existential conversationalists and rabbit holers only LOL)...there's an ugly truth about principles, and that is that they have to be balanced against context and ego. Ego can lead people to make very poor decisions based on the concept of principles. For example; I hate Arsenal. I will never ever wear an Arsenal shirt, not for a tenner, not for a million. It's a principle I hold, I think they're scum and I refuse to wear their bricky shirt. A family member is struggling tremendously with assisted living bills, and none of us have the money to really make a difference. Some rich tossy Gooner swaggers up to me in the pub and says that if I wear an Arsenal shirt in a mini-skirt and shout 'We Hate Tottenham' they will give me 100k in cash (they show me the cash). Do I allow my 'principles' to tell them to go fudge themselves, or do I make peace with 10 minutes of potential humiliation and a possible social media post to get the money and help my family? Is that moral bankruptcy? Prostitution? Pragmatism? Taking one for the team?

The example scales up, particularly in countries where people's lives and families are threatened if they don't 'do' certain things. I am sure we all have a line we'd draw, but the biggest principle most of us would hold is to defend our family at any cost, no?

So for me, these are much deeper questions than they might appear, and I have lived very much to certain principles and still do.

Given this is a Poch thread, I'll say this about him. I think how he emerges from this entire scenario is going to tell us an awful lot about who he is...
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If you ever do find that gooner let me know I'll bring my own mini skirt.
 
thfcsteff said:
(For existential conversationalists and rabbit holers only LOL)...there's an ugly truth about principles, and that is that they have to be balanced against context and ego. Ego can lead people to make very poor decisions based on the concept of principles. For example; I hate Arsenal. I will never ever wear an Arsenal shirt, not for a tenner, not for a million. It's a principle I hold, I think they're scum and I refuse to wear their bricky shirt. A family member is struggling tremendously with assisted living bills, and none of us have the money to really make a difference. Some rich tossy Gooner swaggers up to me in the pub and says that if I wear an Arsenal shirt in a mini-skirt and shout 'We Hate Tottenham' they will give me 100k in cash (they show me the cash). Do I allow my 'principles' to tell them to go fudge themselves, or do I make peace with 10 minutes of potential humiliation and a possible social media post to get the money and help my family? Is that moral bankruptcy? Prostitution? Pragmatism? Taking one for the team?

The example scales up, particularly in countries where people's lives and families are threatened if they don't 'do' certain things. I am sure we all have a line we'd draw, but the biggest principle most of us would hold is to defend our family at any cost, no?

So for me, these are much deeper questions than they might appear, and I have lived very much to certain principles and still do.

Given this is a Poch thread, I'll say this about him. I think how he emerges from this entire scenario is going to tell us an awful lot about who he is...
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I get your point completely, I don't think your example works though, not liking a football team isn't a principle, you would absolutely take the money for your family member wouldn't you, I think I know that much about you, principles would win over preference.

It's about morality and ethics.
 
Baleforce said:
I get your point completely, I don't think your example works though, not liking a football team isn't a principle, you would absolutely take the money for your family member wouldn't you, I think I know that much about you, principles would win over preference.

It's about morality and ethics.
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Indeed, and to be fair, it is a deep discussion...however overall, we need to stand by what we believe. One thing to consider (however unpalatable it is), perhaps Poch agreed and is also more sympathetic to that type of thinking than we could ever be? My suspicions were raised when he spoke fondly of that lunatic Melei, most certainly a dark day for me.
 
thfcsteff said:
Indeed, and to be fair, it is a deep discussion...however overall, we need to stand by what we believe. One thing to consider (however unpalatable it is), perhaps Poch agreed and is also more sympathetic to that type of thinking than we could ever be? My suspicions were raised when he spoke fondly of that lunatic Melei, most certainly a dark day for me.
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People are complicated.

It always reminds me of the Fitzgerald quote on opposing ideas.

The rubber hits the road in different places for all of us, yet we judge on our own skid marks.
 
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