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Mauricio Pochettino

Legohamster said:
Koeman to Barca
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when you get past the lol stage, it does at least show a change of direction, when did they last appoint a manager with some success on his CV, he has done good jobs in the past

he's not been appointed on the say so of Messi

maybe he'll turn them around
 
StephenH said:
We also had/have some great players as well. Which was little to do with him.
Poch was great in the small Spurs world.
will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Sorry which great players were not down to him? Kane? Poch helped turn him from a perennial sub and loanee to word class striker. Dele? Promising young player from the lower leagues, Poch made into an England starter. Rose, Dembele and Erikson played their best football under Poch. Wanyama, became Uber Wanyama, Lamela improved . Hell even Sissoko and Trippier improved. I can't think of a single ready made player we bought.

Either your memory is failing or you are rewriting history.
 
He was the reason we didn't spend.
He was way too choosy when it came to incoming players.
We all now he said no to Tielemans when our midfield was falling apart. He went to Leicester instead.

Mourinho is just taking whats being offered to him. He knew nothing about Bergwijn for instance.
Levy has always been happy to offer players to his managers. Remember Redknapp having to ask Gullit if Van der Vaart was any good after Levy offered him.

Pochettino wanted a small easy to man manage squad of players who had the right aura.
He took it as a weird personal slight when one of his beautiful boys wanted to leave.
Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Eriksen etc sent to the naughty step.
He was way too emotional about his job.
 
Modric THFC said:
He was the reason we didn't spend.
He was way too choosy when it came to incoming players.
We all now he said no to Tielemans when our midfield was falling apart. He went to Leicester instead.

Mourinho is just taking whats being offered to him. He knew nothing about Bergwijn for instance.
Levy has always been happy to offer players to his managers. Remember Redknapp having to ask Gullit if Van der Vaart was any good after Levy offered him.

Pochettino wanted a small easy to man manage squad of players who had the right aura.
He took it as a weird personal slight when one of his beautiful boys wanted to leave.
Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Eriksen etc sent to the naughty step.
He was way too emotional about his job.
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There is a fair bit of supposition in there. No one knows really what went on. We know Poch wanted to strengthen...we don't know what Levy offered.

Personally, I'll always love Poch and what he did here. Gave us our pride back. Made sure we punched above our weight for four years. Was the making of many players. Behaved with class and dignity for most of it. He'll always have a special place for me.

I do actually agree about the last bit. I thought it was poor that he went to Barcelona after the final because he was so disappointed. That was the time to lead. I thought he was too emotional after the semi final in Amsterdam. I felt he should have been stone faced in public and said "We have a final to win." But fudge it. I danced up the road from the pub that night, full of jager-bombs, singing his name at the top of my voice and waking some of the neighbours. And when we win the next trophy, I'll do exactly the same and sing his name loudly. He's magic you know...

He was great for us even if he wasn't perfect and life was better for having him as our manager.
 
I always tended to think that summer of 2018 and the lack of buying anyone was down to Poch not wanting to accept Levy's c"heap and cheerful" alternatives.

The more jobs have come along across Europe and Poch has not been appointed, the more you wonder if people within the game know that it wasn't one-way traffic in how his time ended with us. Perhaps he really was too stubborn to a fault in terms of recruitment and Chairmen as well as pundits question his inability to get a trophy over the line, his reliance on intangible 'aura' stuff and his ultimate lack of ruthlessness.

Still, his tenure is still the best in terms of elevation and enjoyment many of us will have seen ever (or at least since the 80s)
 
He has his limitations and I still like him the way I like jol and redknapp - they pushed the boundaries of what's possible and gave us renewed hope.

All three are great coaches in that regard... Not just managing teams but improving them. But just not good enough to win things.

Poch will end up like them and if he wants a job it will only be challenger teams not top tier.

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metalgear said:
Poch will end up like them and if he wants a job it will only be challenger teams not top tier.

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As much as I respect both Jol and Redknapp, Poch was a superior coach to both. I don't remember either achieving 2nd place in the league, unbeaten at home for a whole season, regular champions League qualification and reaching the CL final.

As for only being good enough for challengers not top tier, I must have missed Koeman's stellar achievements before being appointed by Barca.

In my opinion what Poch needs to make the next step to winning trophies, is have a bigger squad of quality players in order to modulate his training intensity. He also needs to bring in conditioning coaches to ensure his training regimen doesn't push players beyond their physical or mental limits.
 
Koeman has won titles with multiple clubs.

I agree on Poch, he needs to carefully pick his next club, and win something.
 
metalgear said:
He has his limitations and I still like him the way I like jol and redknapp - they pushed the boundaries of what's possible and gave us renewed hope.

All three are great coaches in that regard... Not just managing teams but improving them. But just not good enough to win things.

Poch will end up like them and if he wants a job it will only be challenger teams not top tier.

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Would love to see a world where the top coaches in the game get put to the test under certain conditions just to blow this retsrded thinking out the wster once and for all - let's see which managers are good enough to win things under the circumstances Tottenham managers have had to work under the last ten years or so.

Conversely lets see how Redknapp Jol and Poch do if they are put in charge of clubs that have the clout and reputation to fully back them.

Take AVB as an example, done poorly with us but when put in charge of clubs which are the richest in their league he wins trophies. Absolutely no reason to think the managers mentioned above wouldn't do the same.

As for Pochettino the worst thing that seems to have happened to his reputation is overachieving - we had no right to be finishing any higher than we had done under previous mangers, best of the sides outside the top 4 trying to muscle our way in, there was certainly no extra investment in the team or players with big reputations bought when compared to our teams before, the fact he over shot that level and had us 3rd/2nd/3rd and deep in to the CL has caused people to lose a grip on reality and think we actuallt fell short.
 
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billyiddo said:
Would love to see a world where the top coaches in the game get put to the test under certain conditions just to blow this retsrded thinking out the wster once and for all - let's see which managers are good enough to win things under the circumstances Tottenham managers have had to work under the last ten years or so.

Conversely lets see how Redknapp Jol and Poch do if they are put in charge of clubs that have the clout and reputation to fully back them.

Take AVB as an example, done poorly with us but when put in charge of clubs which are the richest in their league he wins trophies. Absolutely no reason to think the managers mentioned above wouldn't do the same.

As for Pochettino the worst thing that seems to have happened to his reputation is overachieving - we had no right to be finishing any higher than we had done under previous mangers, best of the sides outside the top 4 trying to muscle our way in, there was certainly no extra investment in the team or players with big reputations bought when compared to our teams before, the fact he over shot that level and had us 3rd/2nd/3rd and deep in to the CL has caused people to lose a grip on reality and think we actuallt fell short.
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It's timing more than anything in my opinion

Poch got "lucky" with us, a mostly young and hungry team with a ridiculous amount of talent (prime Lloris, Toby, Jan, Rose, Walker, Dembele, Eriksen, plus Kane, Dele, Son with cameo seasons from Trippier, Wanyama and Dier)
Redknapp also had some pretty fudging decent talent as well ..

Right place, right time. right situation .. look at Pep, how much more resources can a top manager get and fail to win CL again (it was 11 fudging years ago at Barca)

I disagree with Poch over achieving, Redknapp achieved top 4, twice .. Poch overachieving would have actually been winning something, converting one of the many QF/SF/Finals into something .. always came up short ..
 
Like i said won't be drawn in to debating stuff we've already gone over but what's happened since then shows what's what.
 
Raziel said:
It's timing more than anything in my opinion

Poch got "lucky" with us, a mostly young and hungry team with a ridiculous amount of talent (prime Lloris, Toby, Jan, Rose, Walker, Dembele, Eriksen, plus Kane, Dele, Son with cameo seasons from Trippier, Wanyama and Dier)
Redknapp also had some pretty fudging decent talent as well ..

Right place, right time. right situation .. look at Pep, how much more resources can a top manager get and fail to win CL again (it was 11 fudging years ago at Barca)

I disagree with Poch over achieving, Redknapp achieved top 4, twice .. Poch overachieving would have actually been winning something, converting one of the many QF/SF/Finals into something .. always came up short ..
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Harry had a better side, he just lacked a good striker. Harry Kane in the Harry Redknapp side and we really would have won something.
 
Raziel said:
It's timing more than anything in my opinion

Poch got "lucky" with us, a mostly young and hungry team with a ridiculous amount of talent (prime Lloris, Toby, Jan, Rose, Walker, Dembele, Eriksen, plus Kane, Dele, Son with cameo seasons from Trippier, Wanyama and Dier)
Redknapp also had some pretty fudging decent talent as well ..

Right place, right time. right situation .. look at Pep, how much more resources can a top manager get and fail to win CL again (it was 11 fudging years ago at Barca)

I disagree with Poch over achieving, Redknapp achieved top 4, twice .. Poch overachieving would have actually been winning something, converting one of the many QF/SF/Finals into something .. always came up short ..
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Hmm. Of course Poch just "got lucky." For an accomplished poster you really write some one eyed nonsense when it comes to Poch.
 
Raziel said:
It's timing more than anything in my opinion

Poch got "lucky" with us, a mostly young and hungry team with a ridiculous amount of talent (prime Lloris, Toby, Jan, Rose, Walker, Dembele, Eriksen, plus Kane, Dele, Son with cameo seasons from Trippier, Wanyama and Dier)
Redknapp also had some pretty fudging decent talent as well ..

Right place, right time. right situation .. look at Pep, how much more resources can a top manager get and fail to win CL again (it was 11 fudging years ago at Barca)

I disagree with Poch over achieving, Redknapp achieved top 4, twice .. Poch overachieving would have actually been winning something, converting one of the many QF/SF/Finals into something .. always came up short ..
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Got lucky?? Lol

I did feel there were limitations to Poch's 'Ktpton factor' methodology of out-running and out-muscling the opposition and in the end it proved to be so imo.

But to say Poch 'Got lucky' to put us in CL year after year after how many years of trying to just do it consecutively? If you were maybe talking about the run to the CL final, perhaps i'd disagree slightly be also see where you would be coming from. But to say 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th was 'lucky'???
Given all you say about how hard it is for Levy/ENIC to compete with 'doped clubs' and the 'historical top 4' that shows who you are contradicting yourself and using the same rules to blow smoke up Levy's butt whilst putting down Poch.
That is, total nonsense
 
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