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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

After the ManUtd v Swansea game I thought Gary Neville when talking about commanding the game, Man Utd commanded (I think that was the word he used).. Caragher chimed in and said all the foreign coaches would all say even though they lost that at least they commanded the game, and he used to say in his head, but hang on we lost. Possession doesn't win titles.
Neville went on to talk about the lack of pace and the way he was speaking I swear he was talking about Tottenham too. Anyone, if you get to see it again somehow its worth listening too. Summed us up, and tbh quite a lot of teams too. Basically falls into my belief that UEFA badges are fudging the game, where everything is robotic and bought of the shelf in the way teams play... and that its about commanding the play and waiting for the mistake by the opposition. Which leads to dull football.
 
I don't think the badges teach that, but I think along the way the savvy coaches realises that that system gives them the best chance of success.

In every business, pragmatism will win out in the end.


In every business the one that innovates, listens to it customers and is willing to adapt and change will succeed
 
In every business the one that innovates, listens to it customers and is willing to adapt and change will succeed

Football, like anything else, changes in cycles. In the next few years, someone will master the art of counter attacking teams that dominate possesson, it will probably be a fairly lesser known team who will end up punching above their weight because of it. More and more teams will follow suit until eventually the game is full of teams that play that way. Then someone will com up with a way of beating that, and the cycle will continue.
 
In every business the one that innovates, listens to it customers and is willing to adapt and change will succeed

If only that were true.

In football, however, the team that has the richest benefactor, willing to spend the most money, succeeds.

[on average, over time - acknowledging there may be the occasional exception]
 
If only that were true.

In football, however, the team that has the richest benefactor, willing to spend the most money, succeeds.

[on average, over time - acknowledging there may be the occasional exception]


Depends on the measure of success

Year on year improvement for me is the key

Money buys success short term but maintaining it and improving it is the hard bit
 
I think Gary Monk is a really good manager and I think Swansea is a very well run club that will firmly establish themselves as top 10 maybe even more this season. There are no real dramas, they play good football and they just get on with it. I'm glad they are doing well and hope it continues, except against us.
 
Depends on the measure of success

Year on year improvement for me is the key

Money buys success short term but maintaining it and improving it is the hard bit

I guess that is one measure of success. But improvement is difficult to assess. What criteria are you going to use?
After all Man U won three successive Premiership titles from 2006 onwards, but each time with fewer points. So on a points criteria they were declining in success -yet I shouldn't think their fans were that unhappy. And then they won the Champions League in the middle of that, to further complicate matters in terms of judging success.

Personally I think money buys success long term, and while maintaining and improving may be undeniably difficult, money (and the amount may be relative) and success (on most sensible criteria) are causally related (hence our drive for a bigger stadium and increased revenue).

After all look at the teams who have won the Premiership in the last ten years: Chelsea, Chelsea, Man U, Man U, Man U, Chelsea, Man U, Emirates Marketing Project, Man U, Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea.

A rather depressing indictment of the way football is run, sadly.
 
I think Gary Monk is a really good manager and I think Swansea is a very well run club that will firmly establish themselves as top 10 maybe even more this season. There are no real dramas, they play good football and they just get on with it. I'm glad they are doing well and hope it continues, except against us.

Indeed - look forward to the day when we can see such a eulogy about Poch...

Garry Monk’s smart change of Swansea formation outwits Louis van Gaal
Michael Cox
The manager’s switch from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-1-2 helped his side come from behind against Manchester United and beat them for the third time in succession

Sometimes tactical brilliance is about a manager devising an intelligent pre‑match plan, and sometimes it takes mid-game improvisation. This was a perfect example of the latter, with Garry Monk switching from his initial 4-2-3-1 formation to a 4-3-1-2 early in the second half, and Swansea turning a 1-0 deficit into a 2-1 victory.

On paper, it was a peculiar substitution when trying to get back into the game – a defensive midfielder, Ki Sung-yueng, replaced an attack‑minded winger in Wayne Routledge. But the knock-on effect was crucial, with Swansea exerting more control in the centre and allowing Gylfi Sigurdsson and André Ayew into advanced roles behind Bafétimbi Gomis, finding pockets of space and taking up positions United struggled to cope with.

In particular, Swansea caused problems in their right-hand channel. The change of formation meant Swansea were no longer playing with outright wingers, which encouraged Luke Shaw to bomb forward down the flank. However, Swansea’s attackers were drifting laterally into the spaces left behind, and Sigurdsson and Ayew took it in turns to move into peculiar, inside-right positions between Shaw, the left-sided centre-back, Daley Blind, and the left-centre midfielder, Bastian Schweinsteiger. Manchester United were confused about how to stop Sigurdsson and Ayew, and ultimately paid the price.

Both goals came from a very similar situation, when Shaw was in an advanced position and Blind was dragged out towards the flank to cover. First, Sigurdsson burst down the right and crossed for Ayew to head home at the far post. Then, Ayew turned provider, breaking down the right and curling a magnificent pass in behind United’s defence for Gomis to finish coolly.

Tactical changes often have a subtle influence on matches, but Monk’s dramatic change in system completely altered the game, and it is unusual to hear both managers with precisely the same view of the game’s dominant moment.

“We did change – we felt they were overloading us in the middle, so we went to a diamond after 10 minutes in that second half,” Monk said. “I explained it to them at half-time – and we ended up getting two quickfire goals.”

“The opponent changed their shape,”Louis van Gaal agreed, when asked why Swansea had mounted such an impressive fightback. “At 1-0 they changed their shape and we couldn’t cope with that.”

It was unusual to see Van Gaal tactically outwitted, and equally unusual to hear him admit it so readily. The Dutchman said his players should have remained more compact, but youngsters like Shaw and Blind need guidance, and it was down to Van Gaal to react to Monk’s switch, perhaps by asking Shaw to be aware of movement in behind him. More crucially, it was further evidence Monk has become one of the Premier League’s most intriguing coaches.
 
For some reason, I don;t think Poch would ever pull off such a tactical masterstroke as Monk did.... :(

I try thinking of all the games of last season and cannot for the life of me remember saying: "wow, that substitution by Poch was brilliantly planned tactically and really changed the game". The only time I remember a game changing tactical substitution was Dembele replacing Mason in the Chelsea game but that was fate not tactics... and even so it was a like for like swap.
 
Indeed - look forward to the day when we can see such a eulogy about Poch...

Garry Monk’s smart change of Swansea formation outwits Louis van Gaal

I agree with you and hope it comes. But, can you imagine if it didn't work out? On here, people would be saying "What was he thinking? We're chasing the game and he brings on a defensive option????!!! Useless taco"

If I remember correctly, Poch did have something similar while he was at Southampton, but that's worthless to us. This season and next is where I am hoping to see some improvement in performances. This philosphy that he talks about should be bedding in, and if Stoke first half is the vision of it, I for one cannot wait. If it's not, then we will have a decision to make.
 
I agree with you and hope it comes. But, can you imagine if it didn't work out? On here, people would be saying "What was he thinking? We're chasing the game and he brings on a defensive option????!!! Useless ****"

If I remember correctly, Poch did have something similar while he was at Southampton, but that's worthless to us. This season and next is where I am hoping to see some improvement in performances. This philosphy that he talks about should be bedding in, and if Stoke first half is the vision of it, I for one cannot wait. If it's not, then we will have a decision to make.

Parker against Villa in the infamous penultimate 2011-2012 game springs to mind. :)
 
I agree with you and hope it comes. But, can you imagine if it didn't work out? On here, people would be saying "What was he thinking? We're chasing the game and he brings on a defensive option????!!! Useless ****"

If I remember correctly, Poch did have something similar while he was at Southampton, but that's worthless to us. This season and next is where I am hoping to see some improvement in performances. This philosphy that he talks about should be bedding in, and if Stoke first half is the vision of it, I for one cannot wait. If it's not, then we will have a decision to make.

This for me as well, plus I was impressed with our performance against Everton as well.
 
It will be a great achievement for Pochettino if he completes this season, still being the Spurs manager. Remember, Jol is the only non-British manager to have been Spurs manager for 2 seasons or more. But Pochettino has not done himself any favour by not forcing Levy to buy the players we badly needed. Can see this coming back to affect Pochettino later in the season.
 
It will be a great achievement for Pochettino if he completes this season, still being the Spurs manager. Remember, Jol is the only non-British manager to have been Spurs manager for 2 seasons or more. But Pochettino has not done himself any favour by not forcing Levy to buy the players we badly needed. Can see this coming back to affect Pochettino later in the season.

He needs to negotiate the next month, far less the season

A couple more brick draws, a loss to the Scum and a spanking from City, all of which are plausible, and he's in a lot of trouble.

Personally I think Poch has been given a lot of say in who we buy, and it has led to a very small list of targets, and that will likely bite us in the ass this season.
 
He needs to negotiate the next month, far less the season

A couple more **** draws, a loss to the Scum and a spanking from City, all of which are plausible, and he's in a lot of trouble.

Personally I think Poch has been given a lot of say in who we buy, and it has led to a very small list of targets, and that will likely bite us in the ass this season.

You are probably right about that, once again the fickle fans will start screaming for a new manager ( like they always do) and the roundabout will start again.
 
looking at things objectively, we only have Kane with real experience at 9, but, City don't have a 9, neither do United, admittedly they have exceptional 10's that can dual role in Aguero and Rooney but our 9 is arguably better as a 10 as well, Berahinho is the guy we were after but his skill set allows multiple roles, maybe Poch wants to play a system
that doesn't involve a traditional 9 at all which is why players like Austin were not of interest to us

hopefully the return of the high press

edit: i'd forgotten about Bony at City, so yes they do have one, he does start infrequently though so my point on City's system isn't completely without merit
 
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