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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Raziel said:
Spurs has actually done quite well in recent history from shots outside box (JD/Bale/Kane, odd hits from Chadli, Eriksen, Dier, etc.). Believe a couple of years we have led the number of shots/goals from outside category.

Long range does not have to be speculative (at least not hit and hope), a team tactic where room is made for a deeper striker or midfield runner to hit a shot through players in box is quite effective (how many have Lampard/Gerrard scored that way?).

Poch's Spurs definitely at its best has someone from midfield often run beyond Kane (usually Alli) that naturally creates more spaces for either other runs, or room/time for a better shot.
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You're remembering the ones that went in, but forget the countless others that didn't. I'm not saying it's a terrible tactic if done well and space is opened up, but it's a once/twice-a-game thing, not something to pursue regularly.
 
alekaras said:
These are low percentage shots. Even world class players are successful very infrequently. If we rely on long range shots for goals, GHod help us.
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Make of this what you will: stats from an article dated 16 March 2016. What they cannot reveal is how many goals would have resulted from continuing attacks into the box instead of shooting from range. Tbf to Wenger he is known for training his teams to open up defences rather than shoot from range.

Shots on target from outside the box

73 --- TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
53 --- Emirates Marketing Project
44 --- SWANSEA CITY
44 --- BOURNEMOUTH
44 --- LIVERPOOL
43 --- WEST HAM UNITED
42 --- ASTON VILLA
41 --- CHELSEA
40 --- MANCHESTER UNITED
39 --- CRYSTAL PALACE
38 --- LEICESTER CITY
37 --- EVERTON
36 --- STOKE CITY
35 --- NORWICH
35 --- SOUTHAMPTON
31 --- Saudi Sportswashing Machine
30 --- WEST BROMWICH ALBION
29 --- SUNDERLAND
26 --- WATFORD
25 --- ARSENAL

Goals scored from outside the box

11 --- Emirates Marketing Project
10 --- TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR
9 ---- CHELSEA
9 ---- LIVERPOOL
8 ---- WEST HAM UNITED
6 ---- BOURNEMOUTH
6 ---- NORWICH
6 ---- SUNDERLAND
5 ---- EVERTON
5 ---- STOKE CITY
4 ---- ASTON VILLA
4 ---- MANCHESTER UNITED
4 ---- Saudi Sportswashing Machine
3 ---- CRYSTAL PALACE
3 ---- SOUTHAMPTON
3 ---- SWANSEA CITY
3 ---- WEST BROMWICH ALBION
2 ---- WATFORD
2 ---- LEICESTER CITY
2 ---- ARSENAL

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/arsenal-worst-entire-premier-league-7584922
 
alekaras said:
You're remembering the ones that went in, but forget the countless others that didn't. I'm not saying it's a terrible tactic if done well and space is opened up, but it's a once/twice-a-game thing, not something to pursue regularly.
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For a packed defense I think it is a viable tactic. Trying to play through a mass of players or repeatedly fire in crosses to a lone front man has it limitations.
 
^^I dont know why they say Arsenal is the worst. I would look at the goals scored ratio. For me Leicester seems the worst. 2 goals in 38 shots.
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...loans-for-josh-onomah-and-other-a7187891.html

Mauricio Pochettino plans big role, rather than loans, for Josh Onomah and other youngsters
The Spurs head coach will stick to his policy of keeping his best youngsters, including Onomah and Harry Winks, in his squad rather than loaning them out to another set of coaches


Mauricio Pochettino has told 19-year-old midfielder Josh Onomah that he will not be going anywhere on loan this season because he is so important to his plans at Tottenham.

Spurs start their Premier League campaign at Everton on Saturday afternoon and Pochettino has decided that the best of their young players, including Onomah, Harry Winks and Cameron Carter-Vickers, will stay as part of his squad this season, rather than going out on loan.

Pochettino believes that the most talented youngsters are better off being coached by him and his assistants rather than going to another team on loan. Although the youngsters would play more games out on loan, Pochettino would rather instil his football values into them while assessing whether they can step into his first team. He does not want his prospects being taught other principles by different coaches.

The most promising of this generation of Spurs youngsters is Onomah, the young midfielder from Enfield. Onomah is a life-long Spurs fan who joined the club at the age of eight and has progressed through the youth system. He is widely admired at the club for his attitude and the grounding he has received from his parents Joseph and Josephine. Onomah made his first-team debut from the bench in January 2015 at the age of 17. Last season Pochettino decided against loaning out Onomah, and he made 19 appearances, four from the start.

There may be fewer opportunities for young players this season, as Tottenham are in the Champions League rather than the Europa League, but Pochettino and his team still see Onomah as a key part of their plans. They have noted his physical development, as he is now fits in with the powerful body-type of most of the Tottenham first team. While he has tended to play in an attacking midfield for Spurs so far, there is an expectation at White Hart Lane that his maturing may lead to him playing in the pair of midfielders in front of the back four.

Onomah is not the only youngster who Pochettino has decided to keep hold of for this season. Harry Winks has greatly impressed Pochettino with his attitude and his fitness in pre-season, and his mature performances on the tour of Australia last month. The 20-year-old midfielder has been pencilled in to be part of the first team squad for this season. Cameron Carter-Vickers, the 18-year-old centre-back, has not yet made his first-team debut for Tottenham, but he is expected to push for a place in Saturday’s match-day squad. 19-year-old Kyle Walker-Peters and 17-year-old Marcus Edwards, who signed his first professional deal this month, are both part of Pochettino’s plans.

Tellingly, none of Onomah, Winks, Carter-Vickers, Walker-Peters or indeed Edwards have ever been sent on loan, which shows Pochettino’s reluctance to let his most talented players be coached by anyone else. In contrast, Dominic Ball, Grant Ward and Alex Pritchard have all left Tottenham permanently this summer, having been loaned out last season. Connor Ogilvie and Nathan Oduwa, loaned out last year, are likely to follow.

Victor Wanyama is likely to make his Spurs debut on Saturday, as Moussa Dembele still has four games left of his six-game ban from last season left to serve. Pochettino coached Wanyama at Southampton and was confident that the Kenya international would comfortably fit into his team.

“Victor is a player that knows us, how we work and our philosophy,” Pochettino said. “It was easy for him to develop his quality and his skill in the team. From day one of preseason, he feel very comfortable and settled in the team. This is a good help for us.”

Pochettino said that Dembele’s suspension was a “big loss” for Spurs, but that they had to cope until he returns against Sunderland on 18 September.

“It is not fair to say that the team dropped performance [last season] because Moussa wasn’t there,” Pochettino said. “It was about Dele Alli too, and the team. I think it’s not fair. It’s true that Moussa was important for us last season. It’s a big loss for us for the first few games. But we need to deal with it.”
 
Having to juggle players after the Euros is clearly a topic of contention for Poch.
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/sport/foot...yers_return_from_summer_tournaments_1_4663509

It's hard to see how it can be avoided though without the season being shortened/number of teams in PL reduced. If we can achieve the sustained levels of success we seek, our players will naturally be of a high calibre and therefore more likely to be called on for international duty. He is right that it will take a change in outlook at the top of the game - and that is unlikely to happen due to the commercial aspects.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Having to juggle players after the Euros is clearly a topic of contention for Poch.
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/sport/foot...yers_return_from_summer_tournaments_1_4663509

It's hard to see how it can be avoided though without the season being shortened/number of teams in PL reduced. If we can achieve the sustained levels of success we seek, our players will naturally be of a high calibre and therefore more likely to be called on for international duty. He is right that it will take a change in outlook at the top of the game - and that is unlikely to happen due to the commercial aspects.
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What about starting later and finishing later?
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Having to juggle players after the Euros is clearly a topic of contention for Poch.
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/sport/foot...yers_return_from_summer_tournaments_1_4663509

It's hard to see how it can be avoided though without the season being shortened/number of teams in PL reduced. If we can achieve the sustained levels of success we seek, our players will naturally be of a high calibre and therefore more likely to be called on for international duty. He is right that it will take a change in outlook at the top of the game - and that is unlikely to happen due to the commercial aspects.
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- Abolish all international friendlies (except maybe 2 in the fortnight before a tournament)

- Abolish EL 'round of 32'/CL drop-outs

- Abolish all FA cup replays apart from R3, and have LC semi-finals as single-headers at a neutral geographically mid-way venue

- U21s playing regularly in the top flight can't go to U21 summer tournaments

would be a start
 
‘Andros is a classic winger. I think a lot of managers still use typical wingers like in the past. But it’s true that in the evolution of football, all players are more flexible.

‘We use full-backs inside like midfielders, we use wingers like full-backs, we play with midfielders that can play like centre-backs, and centre-backs that can play like midfielders, or offensive midfielders that can play like strikers. Now we are a little bit mad, the managers, we like to invent a lot.

‘Eric Lamela is a good example [of a versatile player] because he can play in different positions. Eric is not a player that you need to put in a box and you play here and you do this and that. He needs to feel free in his mind and move freely.’

Pochettino added that it was Townsend who pushed for a move, saying: ‘He wanted to play more and feel important in the team. Here it was difficult, competing with Christian Eriksen, Erik Lamela, Dele Alli and Nacer Chadli. If you wanted to play more, you can wait or find another place to play.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ger-s-flexibility-ahead-Tottenham-return.html
 
I doubt there can be any player at the club who doesn't know Poch's 'rules' by now. He certainly has his principles and sticks to them. (I would just hope it never veers into stubbornness for the sake of it).
And to the Daily Mail. It is Erik. if you are going to spell it wrong, at least spell it wrong consistently.
Proof-reading - a dying art.



 
I think this third year might be very difficult for Poch. He still has a fair bit to learn wrt squad management IMHO. I hope Spurs, fans and board, will be patient and give him more time.
 
afsoc4life said:
I think this third year might be very difficult for Poch. He still has a fair bit to learn wrt squad management IMHO. I hope Spurs, fans and board, will be patient and give him more time.
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I remember plenty saying similar about him at the beginning of last season. I would have hoped that he had done enough by now to earn the benefit of the doubt.
 
^I didnt say fire him. I said he has a bit to learn and IMHO it will be a painful lesson. The key point was that fans and the board should be patient with him. That is the benefit of the doubt.
 
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