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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Committees can be fragile things.

But can anyone imagine a one person with complete power system not being a fragile thing?

Can anyone look back at our recent head coaches/managers and think "if only Ramos, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood had more power to buy who they wanted we would have been better off"?
 
braineclipse said:
Committees can be fragile things.

But can anyone imagine a one person with complete power system not being a fragile thing?

Can anyone look back at our recent head coaches/managers and think "if only Ramos, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood had more power to buy who they wanted we would have been better off"?
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Exactly that. The best team in the world (Barcelona) doesn't leave it to just one man. It's how the committee works rather than just the mere existence of it that is important. I think that we have a manager that is perfectly happy with the committee as it contains people that he has trust in. I would hazard a guess that he wouldn't want sole responsibility anyway!
 
and there are also struggling clubs who are run by committees.
but i digress, the point is that poch is in a committee, the current success of the club needs to be attributed to the committee not just poch.
 
metalgear said:
and there are also struggling clubs who are run by committees.
but i digress, the point is that poch is in a committee, the current success of the club needs to be attributed to the committee not just poch.
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I'm puzzled as to why it matters to you. I think that there is a general consensus that Levy and Mitchell are also doing well, with only a few dissenting voices. It reads more like you want to take away credit rather than see others get some.
 
milo said:
I'm puzzled as to why it matters to you. I think that there is a general consensus that Levy and Mitchell are also doing well, with only a few dissenting voices. It reads more like you want to take away credit rather than see others get some.
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i'm for sharing the credit, rather. either ways - in good times and in bad.
 
metalgear said:
i'm for sharing the credit, rather. either ways - in good times and in bad.
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I do not agree that credit is not being shared. Ask on here whether Levy, Mitchell and other members of the backroom team deserve credit and 99% of posters will say that they do.

What I find odd is your current interest in sharing credit when for most of his time at the club, you have given Poch very little. Only a couple of months ago you were trying to argue that Klopp was doing a better job.
 
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metalgear said:
and there are also struggling clubs who are run by committees.
but i digress, the point is that poch is in a committee, the current success of the club needs to be attributed to the committee not just poch.
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Obviously... Anything else would be rather ridiculous.

But what has typically been the narrative from those critical of transfer committees, directors of football and other such "newfangled continental ideas" has been to criticize that structure whenever a manager/head coach fails or fails in the transfer market. Obviously the head coach/manager is very happy to try to sell this story to restore some of his own reputation.

What has been presented less often is a blame of the structure when a manager with more power at a club fails or fails in the transfer market. The chairman made the wrong appointment, or the manager was undermined, or wasn't given enough funds or it just didn't work out. But the choice to go for the powerful manager structure has, from what I've seen, gotten less criticism.
 
milo said:
I do not agree that credit is not being shared. Ask on here whether Levy, Mitchell and other members of the backroom team deserve credit and 99% of posters will say that they do.

What I find odd is your current interest in sharing credit when for most of his time at the club, you have given Poch very little. Only a couple of months ago you were trying to argue that Klopp was doing a better job.
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But Klopp has had Chelski's defence dazzled, and Terry and his fellow defenders falling on their asses due to Klopp's great tactics, remember?
We've never given the Chelski defence the run-around under Poch have we? Oh..
 
braineclipse said:
Obviously... Anything else would be rather ridiculous.

But what has typically been the narrative from those critical of transfer committees, directors of football and other such "newfangled continental ideas" has been to criticize that structure whenever a manager/head coach fails or fails in the transfer market. Obviously the head coach/manager is very happy to try to sell this story to restore some of his own reputation.

What has been presented less often is a blame of the structure when a manager with more power at a club fails or fails in the transfer market. The chairman made the wrong appointment, or the manager was undermined, or wasn't given enough funds or it just didn't work out. But the choice to go for the powerful manager structure has, from what I've seen, gotten less criticism.
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Exactly this.
 
braineclipse said:
Committees can be fragile things.

But can anyone imagine a one person with complete power system not being a fragile thing?

Can anyone look back at our recent head coaches/managers and think "if only Ramos, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood had more power to buy who they wanted we would have been better off"?
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Can understand about Ramos, AVB and Sherwood having limited powers while they were in charge. But not sure how you can defend Redknapp as he had full powers to buy the players he wanted. Unlike the others, Redknapp had almost a complete team in 2012 but failed to get the best out of them.
 
Spurs7891 said:
Can understand about Ramos, AVB and Sherwood having limited powers while they were in charge. But not sure how you can defend Redknapp as he had full powers to buy the players he wanted. Unlike the others, Redknapp had almost a complete team in 2012 but failed to get the best out of them.
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Not sure about that at all, Levy kept him under control otherwise we may have ended up like Portsmouth, Southampton and QPR if he been given full powers.
 
Spurs7891 said:
Can understand about Ramos, AVB and Sherwood having limited powers while they were in charge. But not sure how you can defend Redknapp as he had full powers to buy the players he wanted. Unlike the others, Redknapp had almost a complete team in 2012 but failed to get the best out of them.
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He didn't have full power. And as a result we're one of the very few clubs he's left that hasn't been in a financial tailspin post-Redknapp. Levy is actually the only chairman I can think of that's managed to control and focus Redknapp in the transfer market.

Edit: But just like under all our other managers/head coaches/directors of football the players signed under Redknapp bears clear witness of the amount of control he did have over the type of players we signed.
 
Raziel said:
Back to Poch, another good response after a loss, professional performance, decent rotation, job done.
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I again thought his interview after was really good. Simple, straight forward and acknowledging that this is the business end of the season and so every game is important. We're in two competitions that we want to win. I have to say that last night was the best atmosphere I have experienced at the Lane this season. It was spine tingling stuff at times. There's not much that beats WHL under the lights, all white kit and the fans in full voice. I have lost my voice today but well worth it.
 
Jenas made some interesting comments on Spurs fitness after the match last night. To paraphrase he was saying that the conditioning and fitness work has been geared towards this tail end of the season and that he doesn't expect a drop off at all. In fact he thinks we'll kick on to another level :eek:.
Now maybe that was all tosh but you'd like to think he still has some connections in the club and it was an informed comment.
 
Rorschach said:
Jenas made some interesting comments on Spurs fitness after the match last night. To paraphrase he was saying that the conditioning and fitness work has been geared towards this tail end of the season and that he doesn't expect a drop off at all. In fact he thinks we'll kick on to another level :eek:.
Now maybe that was all tosh but you'd like to think he still has some connections in the club and it was an informed comment.
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Hope so
 
Rorschach said:
Jenas made some interesting comments on Spurs fitness after the match last night. To paraphrase he was saying that the conditioning and fitness work has been geared towards this tail end of the season and that he doesn't expect a drop off at all. In fact he thinks we'll kick on to another level :eek:.
Now maybe that was all tosh but you'd like to think he still has some connections in the club and it was an informed comment.
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Our opponents hearing that comment:

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What is wrong with Pochettino anyway ? Is he too scared or proud to celebrate our goals ? While everyone in the stadium celebrated our second goal by Lamela against Fiorentina, Pochettino just kept quiet without showing any emotions. It really spoiled the celebration mood ! Even Vorm celebrated the goal. The least Pochettino could have done is to applaud the goal. After the way he celebrated our winning goal against ManCity, thought Pochettino has changed his ways but he seems to be back to his shell. Compared this to AVB who always celebrated wildly whenever we scored our goals. Really enjoyed watching AVB celebrate madly like that. Wish Pochettino can celebrate like that as well !
 
It really spoiled the celebration mood !
Most people in the stadium were far too busy jumping up and down to have a clue whether Poch celebrated or not. AS for Poch himself, I suspect that he is pretty knackered actually...
 
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