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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

I don't understand the logic behind that - why would a supporter stick up for a player if they thought they were to blame? Campbell/Carr and others have left and bore the brunt of their actions in similar circumstances - no 'excuses' made for them and are still disliked to this day. Not everything has to be black and white or right and wrong.
 
I don't understand the logic behind that - why would a supporter stick up for a player if they thought they were to blame? Campbell/Carr and others have left and bore the brunt of their actions in similar circumstances - no 'excuses' made for them and are still disliked to this day. Not everything has to be black and white or right and wrong.

They are certain situations when you cannot defend a player, but I think some fans are idealistic and want to believe a player and an agent is a nice villain to point the finger at.

Why have you put the word 'excuses' in quotations? When did I say that?

And the logic is fairly straight forward, some fans at the time were unhappy with Modric, some backed him. I was at the next home game after the United game and he got a mixed reaction of boos and cheers. Btw, I didn't boo him, but I didn't applaud him off either.
 
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So the people you disagree with don't actually believe what it is they have posted on the subject, they just want to believe it?

Don't you think that's a bit of an insulting thing to imply?
 
So the people you disagree with don't actually believe what it is they have posted on the subject, they just want to believe it?

Don't you think that's a bit of an insulting thing to imply?

I don't know the answer to that, you would have to ask those who backed him. I'm sure some do genuinely believe Modric had little of nothing to do with it. I don't understand why that is insulting. I am not insulted that you do not agree with me ever for example :p I don't get why you have taken issue with this If I'm honest.
 
:DI dunno i just take what people say on here at face value - if someone says they think Modrics agent was leading him astray then that's what they believe AFAIC
 
This is an interesting debate. A lot of fans have picked up on Vertonghen's lack of desire or perceived bad attitude almost as if he's doing us a favour by playing for us. Ultimately, would we even be having that discussion if Vertonghen had played well? Probably not I imagine. I actually do agree that his heart doesn't look in it, but how do you measure it? It's just opinion surely. I don't think the mistakes he has made come from a lack of effort. Modric openly stated he wanted to play for Chelsea and rubbed our noses in it by stating they were a bigger club than Spurs, but most of us don't care about that now because he played well.

Perceived is the right word I think. Vertonghen's on field attitude is no different to when the perception was he was playing really well. I think the reality is he is a very good ball playing defender but is not a very good defensive defender.

And he must be doing something right because Poch seems to rate him as our best central defender considering he now appears to be ever present. So his attitude surely isn't that bad and I doubt Poch would tolerate a lack of effort.
 
Perceived is the right word I think. Vertonghen's on field attitude is no different to when the perception was he was playing really well. I think the reality is he is a very good ball playing defender but is not a very good defensive defender.

And he must be doing something right because Poch seems to rate him as our best central defender considering he now appears to be ever present. So his attitude surely isn't that bad and I doubt Poch would tolerate a lack of effort.

Spot on. If his attitude wasn't right I really doubt Poch would continue with him and keep him as essentially an ever present in our team over the last months. He has had the option of Fazio and Dier, so it's not like dropping Verts would mean bringing in Kaboul. Verts and Dier have been rotated/fighting for a place, Verts has looked like the first central defender on the team sheet.
 
Daniel Levy cast an envious eye over the CVs of Carlo Ancelotti, Fabio Capello and most of all a certain Louis van Gaal when he considered who would be the best candidate to lead Tottenham Hotspur into a new era.

Through a combination of good judgement and good fortune, however, Spurs eventually settled on a relative novice who is yet to win anything as a manager, but has already convinced chairman Levy that he has the best man when he surveys the two Old Trafford dug-outs on Sunday.

White Hart Lane insiders are speaking in hushed tones of Mauricio Pochettino displaying some of the best qualities of Ancelotti, through his relationship with the players, and Capello, in terms of his attention detail.

Most strikingly ahead of Tottenham’s Premier League trip to Manchester United, Pochettino appears to be near the front of a new generation of managers who threaten to consign the likes of Van Gaal to history.

Levy met with Van Gaal in the Dutchman’s Holland penthouse after sacking Andre Villas-Boas to see if he could persuade a proven winner to take the White Hart Lane reins.

Van Gaal expressed an interest in the position, but could not give an immediate commitment because of the World Cup and Levy handed Tim Sherwood a chance while he considered his long-term options.


In the intervening five months, there was a growing feeling around Spurs that Van Gaal was holding out for the United job and Levy was warned that the 63-year-old may simply be interested in adding England to the list of countries he has worked in, rather than building for the future.

The £400million new stadium build and move meant Levy finally craved some stability and research into Pochettino’s work at Espanyol and Southampton convinced the Tottenham hierarchy that they could not pass up the opportunity to appoint one of the most progressive young coaches in the game, having missed out on Brendan Rodgers in 2012.

While Van Gaal has lived up to his reputation as a dictator at Old Trafford, Pochettino has proved there is far more to his methods than double training sessions and making his players walk over hot coals, as he did at St Mary’s.

Fitness is undoubtedly a key part of Pochettino’s philosophy and the Spurs players were treated to his boot-camp regime during one of the toughest pre-seasons at the club.

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Task master: Mauricio Pochettino is renowned for his work on the training field

But the Argentine has adapted his methods to cope with Levy’s instruction that he had to take the Europa League seriously and make full use of a large squad.

Pochettino put on few of the double training sessions his Southampton players became so used to while Spurs were often playing three games in a week, with his focus instead shifting on how best to rotate his team to cope with the demands of combining Premier League, Europa League and cup competitions.

As well as fitting his players with GPS vests in training, as most managers now do, Pochettino instructed that every single Tottenham training session must be filmed from various different angles.

That has allowed him and the club analysts to decide on who is fully fit for each game and which players need a rest. Fitness comes above reputation and occasionally even form for Pochettino, as was proved when Christian Eriksen started last month’s derby against West Ham on the substitutes’ bench.

Eriksen and his team-mates may not always be happy about having to take a rest, but they have become convinced that Pochettino’s way is best by the club’s much improved injury record and the team’s ability to out-run opponents and score late goals.

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Late show: Christian Eriksen has specialised in late goals this season

Spurs boffins claim that the club’s injury rate was around the 30 per cent mark last season, with an average of seven to eight players missing for each game. Pochettino’s methods are credited for bringing that figure down to virtually zero this term with the head coach often able to pick from a full squad.

“We almost do not have injured players and you can see that we can fully play 90 minutes with the high tempo and that has helped us in big games,” said Nacer Chadli.

“He (Pochettino) wants to make everyone sharp and be well trained. We always train with GPS. They are looking at players. If they get tired, they can see it on the GPS. The amount we run, they can check everything. You cannot cheat, or put the GPS on a cat. I’ve tried that!”

Striker Harry Kane’s injury-time equaliser against West Ham was the 11th Premier League point Tottenham have secured with goals scored in the 88th minute or later.

Pochettino’s success with young players, such as Kane, has been a skill he has transferred from Southampton to Spurs.

Kane has scored 26 goals in all competitions and the 21-year-old became the first player to win back-to-back Player of the Month awards since Cristiano Ronaldo in 2006.

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Star man: Harry Kane has scored 26 goals this term

Ryan Mason has impressed in midfield and could join Kane in the next England squad, while 20-year-old Nabil Bentaleb’s progress has continued at a pace and Andros Townsend is regaining his best form.

Pochettino’s influence and guidance helped Luke Shaw secure a £27million summer move to United, but the left-back has looked a shadow of the marauding Southampton youngster under Van Gaal.

During Monday night’s FA Cup quarter-final against Arsenal, Shaw appeared to be consumed by fear and confused by his instructions before being replaced at half-time in what was another blow to the 19-year-old’s confidence.

A victory at Old Trafford would move Tottenham level on points with United and give the club real confidence that they can clinch a top-four place and Champions League qualification. But even a defeat will not change Levy’s mind that he ended up with the best man, rather than yesterday’s man.
 
They are certain situations when you cannot defend a player, but I think some fans are idealistic and want to believe a player and an agent is a nice villain to point the finger at.

Why have you put the word 'excuses' in quotations? When did I say that?

And the logic is fairly straight forward, some fans at the time were unhappy with Modric, some backed him. I was at the next home game after the United game and he got a mixed reaction of boos and cheers. Btw, I didn't boo him, but I didn't applaud him off either.


I agree with that statement in some cases. In the case of Modric I don't. Some chose to pile on him. I didn't because I heard information to the contrary long before the Madrid thing (at the time of the Chelski thing). Based on my source, it was not an opinion on my part but the ingestion of presented 'facts' I simply could not dispute. Back to Poch...yes, incredible to see how our injury record is right now, in fact, it is stunning!
 
Great read. I hadn't really thought about the injury record thing although not playing Kaboul or having Sandro around must have dropped the number of sick days quite a bit in itself.
 
...White Hart Lane insiders are speaking in hushed tones of Mauricio Pochettino displaying some of the best qualities of Ancelotti, through his relationship with the players, and Capello, in terms of his attention detail...

Tee hee hee...

I do like what I've seen of the Poch and particular what I read in the press. He seems to have a passive aggressive tone in his quotes; see the recent Rose - Jamaica article. He smiles, is calm in front of the camera but gets his opinions across (IMO).
 
Great read. I hadn't really thought about the injury record thing although not playing Kaboul or having Sandro around must have dropped the number of sick days quite a bit in itself.

Getting rid of injury troubled players was a deliberate policy, not an accident

The same can be said about not having any outfield players older than 27
 
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