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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Apparently Poch and the squad held an hour long, clear the air talks regarding our form and performances and our attitude to starting games...

He hopes yesterday like me that the result and display can lay down a marker now for how we go about things.

Positive for me is that they had these talks and by the looks of things they ‘are’ listening to the manager.

Time will tell but it was uplifting for me to see us flying out of the traps and pressing again.

Hopefully we don’t suffer a similar drop off in performance when the January transfer merry go round begins!

Pochettino confirmed he had held a meeting with his squad upon their return to training on Thursday.

He added: "Now, for sure, it was so important to be refocused. The conversation today altogether now is the squad we are going to have until January, when the rumours will appear again and different situation.

"It was very good to talk today for nearly one hour and refocus again on our objective. To be clear in our minds, to think that the most important thing is the collective and start to put outside individual situations, all together again and try to create a dynamic and be strong and starting winning games.

"That’s the most important thing for us now."


https://www.football.london/tottenh...o-pochettino-reveals-details-meeting-16908591
 
A pity if they needed to clear the air... Poch doesn't have as much control over the team as I would expect for for team seeking to win things. But we knew we were getting a young inexperienced coach. Just hope he develops as the team does.

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I'm not sure these kinds of things can be avoided working with a squad over years.

Problems were identified, worked on and improved. If results and performances continue the players will continue to trust Pochettino to lead the way, as they have so far.
 
I'm not sure these kinds of things can be avoided working with a squad over years.

Problems were identified, worked on and improved. If results and performances continue the players will continue to trust Pochettino to lead the way, as they have so far.
That I don't mind. I do mind Poch working the transfer window up into something huge and an excuse for performances (or lack thereof). That will certainly be heard by the team and affect them.
 
That I don't mind. I do mind Poch working the transfer window up into something huge and an excuse for performances (or lack thereof). That will certainly be heard by the team and affect them.
I generally distrust explanations linking what mangers say in press conferences to performance. It being one of our few sources of information about what goes on at the club it's importance gets overstated massively.

I think the uncertainty brought on by the various contract issues along with the early closing of the domestic transfer window caused instability, uncertainty and that influenced performances and player selection. I think that's a much bigger factor than what Pochettino said in the press conferences. Though I also think there are other factors.

That being said, Pochettino did look frustrated and unhappy. His delay in stating his commitment to the club is another indication of that. His change to happy determined Pochettino coincided with a better performance.

To the extent that it wasn't just the players that needed to refocus, that this also included Pochettino I think he deserves some blame. To what extent that was the case, if at all, I don't know.
 
I generally distrust explanations linking what mangers say in press conferences to performance. It being one of our few sources of information about what goes on at the club it's importance gets overstated massively.

I think the uncertainty bought on by the various contract issues along with the early closing of the domestic transfer window caused instability, uncertainty and that influenced performances and player selection. I think that's a much bigger factor than what Pochettino said in the press conferences. Though I also think there are other factors.

That being said, Pochettino did look frustrated and unhappy. His delay in stating his commitment to the club is another indication of that. His change to happy determined Pochettino coincided with a better performance.

To the extent that it wasn't just the players that needed to refocus, that this also included Pochettino I think he deserves some blame. To what extent that was the case, if at all, I don't know.
I don't think what Poch says in press conferences causes performance issues, I think the two have the same source.

If Poch is publicly as clearly unhappy as he was, if he's putting the blame anywhere but with himself and the team, if he's telling the world the transfer window is killing the team, you can bet he's saying something similar behind the scenes. His general demeanour was not that of a happy person, and it can't just be something he switches on for the press.
 
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I don't think what Poch says in press conferences causes performance issues, I think the two have the same source.

If Poch is as publicly as clearly unhappy as he was, if he's putting the blame anywhere but with himself and the team, if he's telling the world the transfer windows is killing the team, you can bet he's saying something similar behind the scenes. His general demeanour was not that of a happy person, and it can't just be something he switches on for the press.

If we take as fact that potentially Toby, Eriksen, Rose, Aurier and potentially Jan were uncertain, it would be hard to prepare. I agree he personally needs to "sell" a different message

Poch needs to clear his head and push this year, he's been given more time than any manager in decades (and yes, he earned it), but we need to see a real push for the next level, specifically
- We need to own 3rd spot, especially with current state of Scum, United, Chelsea
- A real attempt at Silverware, get to a final and truly compete.

Success unfortunately creates greater expectations, we have now left the "plucky, punching above their weight" category ..
 
I don't think what Poch says in press conferences causes performance issues, I think the two have the same source.

If Poch is publicly as clearly unhappy as he was, if he's putting the blame anywhere but with himself and the team, if he's telling the world the transfer window is killing the team, you can bet he's saying something similar behind the scenes. His general demeanour was not that of a happy person, and it can't just be something he switches on for the press.

Being able to look back on that cloudy couple of weeks now I think I can get what Poch is saying, and I think it is what makes him an interesting leader.

He makes the point that with players’ futures being up in the air, it creates a number of problems. He can’t play players that may be leaving, because certain other players in those positions may question why they aren’t favoured if they are staying. And he can’t demand the focus he would usually demand, because he knows certain player’s heads are elsewhere.

We succeed when we play like we do against Palace, when everyone is on it, and Poch no doubt motivates the squad to that end. But I think there is something clever from a leadership perspective in hanging back a bit, not ‘using up’ all of your demands when you know it won’t have the most impact. Give players the opportunity to look outside, see that we are their best option, and let the window close. And then tell them that since they are here now, he demands the absolute highest of standards.

The difference between putting those demands in when certain players may not be here means you run the risk of those words carrying less impact. Some Managers may demand it regardless and I’d venture they struggle with longevity because they can burn the players out. Poch, by ramping up and down the intensity of his demands keeps it more likely that he will keep most of the group onside for as long as possible.

As a leader, he is thinking about the long term, and it’s arguably a what makes him a strong leader. Being able to look back on that dark period to the improved noises coming from both players and management, suggests everything is looking good again. His words now carry more impact once players know he has given them the chance to look elsewhere.
 
If we take as fact that potentially Toby, Eriksen, Rose, Aurier and potentially Jan were uncertain, it would be hard to prepare. I agree he personally needs to "sell" a different message

Poch needs to clear his head and push this year, he's been given more time than any manager in decades (and yes, he earned it), but we need to see a real push for the next level, specifically
- We need to own 3rd spot, especially with current state of Scum, United, Chelsea
- A real attempt at Silverware, get to a final and truly compete.

Success unfortunately creates greater expectations, we have now left the "plucky, punching above their weight" category ..

He already knows it. He wants a trophy this year.
 
I think we could be wonderfully surprised come May/June.
This is the last season of “this” project. Those specific players know. I think we might see that as the major factor.
 
Being able to look back on that cloudy couple of weeks now I think I can get what Poch is saying, and I think it is what makes him an interesting leader.

He makes the point that with players’ futures being up in the air, it creates a number of problems. He can’t play players that may be leaving, because certain other players in those positions may question why they aren’t favoured if they are staying. And he can’t demand the focus he would usually demand, because he knows certain player’s heads are elsewhere.

We succeed when we play like we do against Palace, when everyone is on it, and Poch no doubt motivates the squad to that end. But I think there is something clever from a leadership perspective in hanging back a bit, not ‘using up’ all of your demands when you know it won’t have the most impact. Give players the opportunity to look outside, see that we are their best option, and let the window close. And then tell them that since they are here now, he demands the absolute highest of standards.

The difference between putting those demands in when certain players may not be here means you run the risk of those words carrying less impact. Some Managers may demand it regardless and I’d venture they struggle with longevity because they can burn the players out. Poch, by ramping up and down the intensity of his demands keeps it more likely that he will keep most of the group onside for as long as possible.

As a leader, he is thinking about the long term, and it’s arguably a what makes him a strong leader. Being able to look back on that dark period to the improved noises coming from both players and management, suggests everything is looking good again. His words now carry more impact once players know he has given them the chance to look elsewhere.
That's very true.

Equally, if Poch's system requires absolutely every player to be absolutely on it for us to succeed. And if he can't guarantee that every game, then we can't make the step up to the next level.
 
I don't think what Poch says in press conferences causes performance issues, I think the two have the same source.

If Poch is publicly as clearly unhappy as he was, if he's putting the blame anywhere but with himself and the team, if he's telling the world the transfer window is killing the team, you can bet he's saying something similar behind the scenes. His general demeanour was not that of a happy person, and it can't just be something he switches on for the press.
Then we agree I think. Though I would say that this hasn't been a consistent problem with Pochettino. This happening once in these particular circumstances can be understood, though prevented in the future if at all possible.
That's very true.

Equally, if Poch's system requires absolutely every player to be absolutely on it for us to succeed. And if he can't guarantee that every game, then we can't make the step up to the next level.
I don't think it does, as I don't think that's been the case over his time with the club. A high level of that intensity and commitment is important, as it should be. That will be a continuing aim and process, never something that is permanently achieved.
 
.I don't think it does, as I don't think that's been the case over his time with the club. A high level of that intensity and commitment is important, as it should be. That will be a continuing aim and process, never something that is permanently achieved.
Liverpool seem (from a distance) to be able to have that level of intensity and commitment. That's not my idea of how to do things - I suspect that once the more "thinky" managers show the way around Klopp's methods they'll be unable to adapt to playing real football. City obviously have that one worked out but are doing it by spending all the money.

I think Poch's methods work well when we're the plucky underdogs who are crashing the CL party. I'm not convinced that will continue to work as we (hopefully) move from there to regular title contenders.
 
Liverpool seem (from a distance) to be able to have that level of intensity and commitment. That's not my idea of how to do things - I suspect that once the more "thinky" managers show the way around Klopp's methods they'll be unable to adapt to playing real football. City obviously have that one worked out but are doing it by spending all the money.

I think Poch's methods work well when we're the plucky underdogs who are crashing the CL party. I'm not convinced that will continue to work as we (hopefully) move from there to regular title contenders.

Interesting comments on the whole. Re Liverpool, I have wondered how they will keep up their intensity and pressing but they seemed just fine last season, how that plays out going forward remains to be seen. Interesting that you wouldn’t describe Klopp as a “thinky” manager. His teams, Dortmund in particular have always been great to watch and play fast, direct, attacking football. Who are the “thinky” managers out of interest?

I think Poch’s methods CAN work but for me, that will require significant and continued investment. Which means we might have to overpay for players every now and then and pay the players higher wages, not United levels but at least get closer to Liverpool and Arsenal. That’s more a change of how the club operates as a whole rather than Poch.
 
Interesting comments on the whole. Re Liverpool, I have wondered how they will keep up their intensity and pressing but they seemed just fine last season, how that plays out going forward remains to be seen. Interesting that you wouldn’t describe Klopp as a “thinky” manager. His teams, Dortmund in particular have always been great to watch and play fast, direct, attacking football. Who are the “thinky” managers out of interest?

I think Poch’s methods CAN work but for me, that will require significant and continued investment. Which means we might have to overpay for players every now and then and pay the players higher wages, not United levels but at least get closer to Liverpool and Arsenal. That’s more a change of how the club operates as a whole rather than Poch.
I'd say pretty much every manager is more thinky than Klopp. He has one style - hoof and charge. He gets away with it by having three really, really good forwards to hoof to, but his style is incredibly simplistic - the layers of complexity between them and Barca/City (IMO the ideal) are huge and players are likely to take a long time to adapt when they have to.
 
Interesting comments on the whole. Re Liverpool, I have wondered how they will keep up their intensity and pressing but they seemed just fine last season, how that plays out going forward remains to be seen. Interesting that you wouldn’t describe Klopp as a “thinky” manager. His teams, Dortmund in particular have always been great to watch and play fast, direct, attacking football. Who are the “thinky” managers out of interest?

I think Poch’s methods CAN work but for me, that will require significant and continued investment. Which means we might have to overpay for players every now and then and pay the players higher wages, not United levels but at least get closer to Liverpool and Arsenal. That’s more a change of how the club operates as a whole rather than Poch.

Liverpool lost the league because they had no plan B in games they drew

Also they would have been 18 points down I believe if refs had got decisions right (that may be wrong and I’m saying that from memory)

This season their flying but I think that’s a follow on from the African cup which will hurt them at some point

Their defence is conceding a LOT more opportunities than it did last season to
 
Liverpool lost the league because they had no plan B in games they drew

Also they would have been 18 points down I believe if refs had got decisions right (that may be wrong and I’m saying that from memory)

This season their flying but I think that’s a follow on from the African cup which will hurt them at some point

Their defence is conceding a LOT more opportunities than it did last season to

I agree completely with @scaramanga it's primitive football that is accomplished by having the right front personnel

Where I think Pool overachieved is the midfield/back 4 last season, they played beyond the level of the collective. I think you already seeing a return to norm from that part.

I would honestly be surprised to see them match either the CL run or PL points output of last season.
 
I'd say pretty much every manager is more thinky than Klopp. He has one style - hoof and charge. He gets away with it by having three really, really good forwards to hoof to, but his style is incredibly simplistic - the layers of complexity between them and Barca/City (IMO the ideal) are huge and players are likely to take a long time to adapt when they have to.

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I'd say pretty much every manager is more thinky than Klopp. He has one style - hoof and charge. He gets away with it by having three really, really good forwards to hoof to, but his style is incredibly simplistic - the layers of complexity between them and Barca/City (IMO the ideal) are huge and players are likely to take a long time to adapt when they have to.
The Leicester team that won the league defended solidly before playing the ball over the top to Vardy. Same with Conte's Chelsea. Liverpool are more similar to those to than City. In fact City are a bit of an anomaly when it comes to recent teams winning the PL.

Klopp has spent a lot of money to make Liverpool a higher quality version of Leicester.
 
The Leicester team that won the league defended solidly before playing the ball over the top to Vardy. Same with Conte's Chelsea. Liverpool are more similar to those to than City. In fact City are a bit of an anomaly when it comes to recent teams winning the PL.

Klopp has spent a lot of money to make Liverpool a higher quality version of Leicester.
City may be an anomaly but the others all had a smash and grab one-off win. City clearly have the more sustainable style.
 
City may be an anomaly but the others all had a smash and grab one-off win. City clearly have the more sustainable style.
That's because they have money to keep refreshing their team. So do Liverpool of course, which is why, sadly they are going to be around for a while.
 
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