Manager Sack Watch

[Muttley]

Did you mean to say that out loud?

The guy could win the lot in Oz, Japan and Scotland, but chose the much harder journey of operating at Watford, Burnley and Everton.

He always has his teams punching. Can't imagine how he'd do with a top 4 squad. Definitely a man manager, a master tactician and very popular with his players.

 

[DeanoAustin]

The guy could win the lot in Oz, Japan and Scotland, but chose the much harder journey of operating at Watford, Burnley and Everton.

He always has his teams punching. Can't imagine how he'd do with a top 4 squad. Definitely a man manager, a master tactician and very popular with his players.

He has done well in whatever job he's been in, no doubt, so he has something about him. But I've always found him a bit of a roosterwomble in his interviews (the longer interviews he's done rather than the post or pre match interviews).

His football is limited though. He'd have a top 4 team underperforming. Think Moyes but worse. And I rate Moyes as a manager but not at that level.

 

[glasgowspur]

He has done well in whatever job he's been in, no doubt, so he has something about him. But I've always found him a bit of a roosterwomble in his interviews (the longer interviews he's done rather than the post or pre match interviews).

His football is limited though. He'd have a top 4 team underperforming. Think Moyes but worse. And I rate Moyes as a manager but not at that level.

It's interesting comparisons, the whole what could manager x do in a richer/poorer club.
Look at howe, lauded for his principles and attacking attitude at Bournemouth, but couldn't set up to defend.
Gets a "bigger" job at Saudi Sportswashing Machine, rides a wave for season, collapses under the increased games and comes out this and his team is unrecognisable as a "Eddie howe" team.
Has he learned a different method, has the pressure forced his hand, or are they again just riding a wave?
Personally I suspect it's the latter, the dig in, defend for your lives is great for awhile but for a club like Saudi Sportswashing Machine and the aspirations their fans have I'm not sure it can last long term.
Dyche suffered from it at burnley, did a great job, fans wanted more, moyes at West ham was the same.
It's a long list, and some our past managers would be on it.

 

[DeanoAustin]

It's interesting comparisons, the whole what could manager x do in a richer/poorer club.
Look at howe, lauded for his principles and attacking attitude at Bournemouth, but couldn't set up to defend.
Gets a "bigger" job at Saudi Sportswashing Machine, rides a wave for season, collapses under the increased games and comes out this and his team is unrecognisable as a "Eddie howe" team.
Has he learned a different method, has the pressure forced his hand, or are they again just riding a wave?
Personally I suspect it's the latter, the dig in, defend for your lives is great for awhile but for a club like Saudi Sportswashing Machine and the aspirations their fans have I'm not sure it can last long term.
Dyche suffered from it at burnley, did a great job, fans wanted more, moyes at West ham was the same.
It's a long list, and some our past managers would be on it.

I think Howe went away and learned how to set up a defence without compromising his attacking play too much. Last season Saudi Sportswashing Machine struggled with injuries but the season before they were very strong at the back and last few games, it's been similar. Their shape last night was excellent from the bit I saw. They had men in exactly the right place when they needed them. So for me, Howe tweaked aspects of his approach.

For me, the hardest part of football is scoring goals, particularly as a coach. It's not easy, but it is easier, to coach a team to be solid. That's what Dyche and Moyes do and they play the percentages in attack. IMO, it's much harder to do what Howe did in reverse. I always rated Moyes and still do. He's a very knowledgable fella and a good listen in interviews. And he's had a bloody good career at an amazing level but I always maintained he'd flop at a really big club because his attacking play comes down to playing percentages and that doesn't cut it at the truly elite level.

 

[glasgowspur]

I think Howe went away and learned how to set up a defence without compromising his attacking play too much. Last season Saudi Sportswashing Machine struggled with injuries but the season before they were very strong at the back and last few games, it's been similar. Their shape last night was excellent from the bit I saw. They had men in exactly the right place when they needed them. So for me, Howe tweaked aspects of his approach.

For me, the hardest part of football is scoring goals, particularly as a coach. It's not easy, but it is easier, to coach a team to be solid. That's what Dyche and Moyes do and they play the percentages in attack. IMO, it's much harder to do what Howe did in reverse. I always rated Moyes and still do. He's a very knowledgable fella and a good listen in interviews. And he's had a bloody good career at an amazing level but I always maintained he'd flop at a really big club because his attacking play comes down to playing percentages and that doesn't cut it at the truly elite level.

Moyes for me is the flip of fergie, good coach poor man manager.
I've not seen a lot of Saudi Sportswashing Machine, but what I have seen they rely on last man defending, I don't think that’s sustainable at this level.
Especially when the games start pile up.

 

[mudshark]

It's interesting comparisons, the whole what could manager x do in a richer/poorer club.
Look at howe, lauded for his principles and attacking attitude at Bournemouth, but couldn't set up to defend.
Gets a "bigger" job at Saudi Sportswashing Machine, rides a wave for season, collapses under the increased games and comes out this and his team is unrecognisable as a "Eddie howe" team.
Has he learned a different method, has the pressure forced his hand, or are they again just riding a wave?
Personally I suspect it's the latter, the dig in, defend for your lives is great for awhile but for a club like Saudi Sportswashing Machine and the aspirations their fans have I'm not sure it can last long term.
Dyche suffered from it at burnley, did a great job, fans wanted more, moyes at West ham was the same.
It's a long list, and some our past managers would be on it.

When the unstoppable force of massive egos met the immovable object of a Daniel Levy budget?