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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Legohamster said:
Third best based on what?

It’s really not - we have 1 DM, no full backs, a back up keeper that can’t catch and our 3 summer signings have hardly played.
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And the 1 DM is a shadow of the player he once was and possibly no longer even PL standard and certainly nowhere near top 4 standard. Just as bad as the weak positions in the squad we also have a number of key players who want out/the club haven't offered adequate contracts for them to stay: Rose, Vertonghen, Eriksen. All three of which are (or were!) our best players in their respective positions.
 
Finney Is Back said:
From what I have seen of Parrot he isn't anywhere near ready. He isn't even yet ready for a loan move to a lower league club IMO. He is a promising young player, but not a Wayne Rooney (who was a one in a million type of young player).
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Owen/Rooney are the only ones that spring to mind in last 20/25 years

Both finished by 30 at the top due to injuries partly due to over playing
 
Finney Is Back said:
Interesting that the top four was unrealistic.... On this forum it seemed to me that most of the people that wanted Poch out and Mourinho in, wanted this because we had an excellent squad that should be finishing 2nd/3rd in the league. If the new manager thinks this is unlikely to be achieved then would we not have been better bringing in more of a 'project' type manager to try to get us back there again instead of a quick fix manager?
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Little revisionist ..

The issue most people had with the Poch in view was the idea we needed a complete (5-7 new players) overhaul

Jose has isolated the problem down to a DM and the FBs ..add in a CM and at worst you are looking at 3 players, and as inconsistent as the results have been, they are better.

I'm putting it out there before the result, I love the fact he is willing to change the formation and put Tanganga in against Pool, same old, same old would have made no difference, might as well be fudging brave.
 
Raziel said:
Little revisionist ..

The issue most people had with the Poch in view was the idea we needed a complete (5-7 new players) overhaul

Jose has isolated the problem down to a DM and the FBs ..add in a CM and at worst you are looking at 3 players, and as inconsistent as the results have been, they are better.

I'm putting it out there before the result, I love the fact he is willing to change the formation and put Tanganga in against Pool, same old, same old would have made no difference, might as well be fudging brave.
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So the current run of 1 out of 5 is on the manager then?
 
Raziel said:
Little revisionist ..

The issue most people had with the Poch in view was the idea we needed a complete (5-7 new players) overhaul

Jose has isolated the problem down to a DM and the FBs ..add in a CM and at worst you are looking at 3 players, and as inconsistent as the results have been, they are better.

I'm putting it out there before the result, I love the fact he is willing to change the formation and put Tanganga in against Pool, same old, same old would have made no difference, might as well be fudging brave.
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Problem is not the FBs. I am comfortable with Aurier, Davies, Sess. Problem is that midfield - defensive and offensive and also a striker. We have hid behind tales of not challenging Kane. If you want top 4 well you need more than one top striker.
 
was thinking about this today in regard to our midfield. Seems that Jose has seen enough of Dier? he is not the player he was. He has left him on the bench for a few games now after putting him in the team early on. Our midfield is by far our weakest point at the moment. There is no doubting N'Dombele can be a beast. But can he stay fit? that is our issue. Without him we are putting in players who need help in the position. I think we are one good midfield signing from having a properly competitive team again.

Kane does not need challenging. He is the kind of player who plays hard no matter the game or opponent. Having a back is another point. We rely on the fact that Son or Moura can "Fill in" when he is out. But they are not the same kind of player of course. And that means we have to change our style of play.

I look around the top teams at the moment and apart from City I dont seen any of them with more than one top Striker. Liverpool? = Origi off the bench. Chelski? = Abraham and thats it. City = Aguero and Jesus. United? = Marital and Greenwood, Arse = Abamayang then Lacazete?
 
Sandman said:
was thinking about this today in regard to our midfield. Seems that Jose has seen enough of Dier? he is not the player he was. He has left him on the bench for a few games now after putting him in the team early on. Our midfield is by far our weakest point at the moment. There is no doubting N'Dombele can be a beast. But can he stay fit? that is our issue. Without him we are putting in players who need help in the position. I think we are one good midfield signing from having a properly competitive team again.

Kane does not need challenging. He is the kind of player who plays hard no matter the game or opponent. Having a back is another point. We rely on the fact that Son or Moura can "Fill in" when he is out. But they are not the same kind of player of course. And that means we have to change our style of play.

I look around the top teams at the moment and apart from City I dont seen any of them with more than one top Striker. Liverpool? = Origi off the bench. Chelski? = Abraham and thats it. City = Aguero and Jesus. United? = Marital and Greenwood, Arse = Abamayang then Lacazete?
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Chelsea - Abraham, Batshuayi
Liverpool - Firmino, Origi
City - Aguero, Jesus
United - Rashford, Martial
Arsenal - Aubameyang, Lacazette
Spurs - Kane, Parrott?

Old Spurs (pre Pochettino) - Adebayor, Soldado, Kane
 
afsoc4life said:
Chelsea - Abraham, Batshuayi
Liverpool - Firmino, Origi
City - Aguero, Jesus
United - Rashford, Martial
Arsenal - Aubameyang, Lacazette
Spurs - Kane, Parrott?

Old Spurs (pre Pochettino) - Adebayor, Soldado, Kane
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Your problem there with both arsenal and united is the players you mention play every game when fit and not one starter and one cover player
 
Raziel said:
Little revisionist ..

The issue most people had with the Poch in view was the idea we needed a complete (5-7 new players) overhaul

Jose has isolated the problem down to a DM and the FBs ..add in a CM and at worst you are looking at 3 players, and as inconsistent as the results have been, they are better.

I'm putting it out there before the result, I love the fact he is willing to change the formation and put Tanganga in against Pool, same old, same old would have made no difference, might as well be fudging brave.
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5 to 7 players? Who said that? I think most people agreed (and still agree) that we needed (and still need) 1 x centre half, 2 x full backs, 1 x defensive midfield player and perhaps some cover for Kane, so 4 or 5.
 
Finney Is Back said:
5 to 7 players? Who said that? I think most people agreed (and still agree) that we needed (and still need) 1 x centre half, 2 x full backs, 1 x defensive midfield player and perhaps some cover for Kane, so 4 or 5.
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I didn't have the heart to point out that 1 dm, 2 fb, 1 DM is actually 4 players and not "3 at worst".
Or that 1 win is 6 isn't inconsistent.
 
We need 5-7 to get back to where we were when we left WHL (arguably best side in the league with a starting XI that would compare favourably to our competitors) imo

First team : RB LB CB DM, possibly GK
Squad : CF WF/AM

That's on top of what we had done this summer and assuming those signings work out
 
Sandman said:
was thinking about this today in regard to our midfield. Seems that Jose has seen enough of Dier? he is not the player he was. He has left him on the bench for a few games now after putting him in the team early on. Our midfield is by far our weakest point at the moment. There is no doubting N'Dombele can be a beast. But can he stay fit? that is our issue. Without him we are putting in players who need help in the position. I think we are one good midfield signing from having a properly competitive team again.
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I'm hope i'm wrong but i feel that Dier's health is still under question.

You'd expect the medical team to be on top of this. Beyond just the football stuff.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I'm hope i'm wrong but i feel that Dier's health is still under question.

You'd expect the medical team to be on top of this. Beyond just the football stuff.
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It really is looking that way to be as well, i hope that with the correct treatment and rest he can return to his best. He is also a player Jose admires/likes so i hope he is given that time to recover.

I am not sure how many fans who are slagging him off have ever had serious problems with recovering from several operations/virus but i have and it can effect some folks longer/more then it does for others.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Must be missing something but don’t fully understand why Verts wasn’t a suitable back up for Davies given he’s played full back for Belgium and CB for us? Should it have really stopped us implementing a system?
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Fair question. He did play him there for 5 league games in a row - Bournemouth, Burnley, Utd, Wolves, Chelsea. Maybe he thought he didn’t play well enough there? (To be honest I cant really remember how well he played there across those 5 games!) Or maybe he is indeed making excuses, after being tactically outdone by Chelsea and not knowing how to rectify it?!
 
elltrev said:
The one thing I love about Mourinho is how open he is in the media - much more interesting as a fan!

Also I did like this approach - thought it was quite innovative - but always risky to build it around a single player, in Ben Davies. Unlucky to get injured quite so quickly though, I guess.
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Yeah I enjoy him dealing with the media because, unlike Poch, you're never left in doubt how he feels or what he's saying.

The above is just bollox though isn't it. Davies didn't destabilise his whole system especially with Rose and Verts able to fill in. I think he's found out Dier is not quite as good as he wanted and had a bunch of other injuries.

You will get unambiguous messages from Jose in press conferences but they'll all be formed with an intention to make Jose look as good as possible. That's how he's always operated.
 
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