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Jake Livermore
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And not very successful. But we are still in the EL and 3rd. Maybe there is a bit of method in the madness. Jake has been given his "minutes" without the pressure of being the main man.
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Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Livermore is getting the blame for AVB playing two players who are very limited creatively in the centre.
We'd be just as bad with Sandro and Parker, as Livermore and Parker or for that matter Livermore and Sandro.
We'd be just as bad with Sandro and Parker, as Livermore and Parker or for that matter Livermore and Sandro.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
Agreed. Jake is a hard working player who has looked okay in cup games against lower quality opposition or as a foil for a gifted passer like Modric but starting him alongside Parker just doesn't work as they are too similar leaving our midfield bereft of any creativity or goal threat. Even starting Livermore alongside Sandro didn't really work at the start of this season but perhaps a partnership with Dembele might as they are sufficiently different in style.
I'd like to see Livermore go out on loan to another Premier League so that he can get a run of games, as he's 23 years old now but has started just 11 Premier League games with 24 substitute appearances for a grand total of 1275 minutes of league experience.
If Parker could make a successful career from a limited skill set then as long as Jake is disciplined which he is, he certainly can too. He had a great game v Everton last season I think it was
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Livermore is the new O'Hara. If we can get £5m for him in the summer then I'd wave goodbye.
That's total BS
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
We had the creative talents of Modric and VdV alongside Livermore in that team to pull the strings so Jake could stick to what he does best which is shielding the defence then laying the ball off to one of his more talented teammates. Unfortunately our current team lacks outstanding passers which might explain why he hasn't thrived quite so much this season.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I think you overestimate the quality of lower half (and mid table) PL teams.
I think he quite easily would get games at several teams, I wouldn't be surprised if we had gotten and turned down serious loan offers for him both in the summer and January windows.
For me the problem with Livermore is that I don't quite see him being excellent at anything, he is a fairly well rounded player. He runs a lot and works hard, he can pass the ball, he can tackle, he can even run with the ball reasonably well. He doesn't score a lot, but from his position that's hardly surprising. But he's not great at anything and to be a starter for a top side you pretty much have to be excellent at something. You can be a regular starter for a side lower down the table though.
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
Indeed.
He needs his premier league loan. How average was Cleverly until he had his breakthrough season at Wigan?
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Pretty much my thoughts which is why I described him as being like O'Hara. He's ok at everything but that's not enough for us.
Perhaps but when I watch the lower teams they have capable players in CM, for instance would he get into the team at WHU,Wigan or QPR I dont think so, when I first saw Livermore I thought he was a box to box player with a good engine that could score goals ( I remember a brilliant run and header in the peace cup) but over the last couple of years they have changed his game and now he sits deep, come to think of it all our cm's sit deep because of the way we want to play, has he the ability to play in a three man midfield I don't think so.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Depends what kind of job we want him to do. Not good enough to be a first choice player, I would agree. But not even good enough to be a squad players for a few years? Not so sure about that one...
He's not the youngest at 23, but he's not the finished article either. I'm not expecting him to develop into a first choice player for us, but it's not out of the question for him to improve enough to be a contender at least.
I think he is a capable player. There are some stand out players in the teams you mention, but also a lot of very average players getting loads of game time for them from what I've seen.
He has the capability to do a lot of everything, I think box to box is a decent description with his stamina being as it is. I think he's operating in deeper positions partly because that's what being asked of him and partly because at a PL level he doesn't quite have the skills on the ball to really influence the game in tighter areas. If he is to develop into a player that can get regular games at a top side I think the best bet is in one of those deeper roles.
Like many on here I think a loan could do him a lot of good, but I think most likely he will end up like quite a few manu squad players have done. A couple of years as a squad player for us and then a move to another PL side.
Jake will start a few games for us in the coming months.
I think he could actually be very successful if above all else he keeps his discipline in terms of positioning and keeping it simple. For me it's of the galacticos thinking (don't laugh), where specific players perform a specific duty in the side... Ie Makalele will be the water carrier. This rather than the team as one collective and the sum of its parts performing defensive and attacking duties together. Saachi's thinking.
I still think there is very much a place for Livermore and his ilk in the modern game but the team must be structured for him to be his part in the jigsaw so he can perform his specific duty. He will only become very good at what he does with games ultimately.
I still think there is very much a place for Livermore and his ilk in the modern game but the team must be structured for him to be his part in the jigsaw so he can perform his specific duty. He will only become very good at what he does with games ultimately.