Kingdawson
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Even if this doesn't come off I respect this info.
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JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
This rumour allows us as Spurs fans to have some respect for our scouting system rather than just believing we are chasing after popular names.
Spurv
Paul Konchesky
DublinSpur
Scott Parker
Not if the guy sees us as a stepping-stone to "a bigger club" in two years time. Y'know, his "dream move" to Emirates Marketing Project or whoever has the most money in two years.
Why not? Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale all used us as a stepping stone in varying degrees, it helped the club on the field, it helped us see great players in Spur's shirt and left us 150M or so better off.
I've said it before, I think the biggest attraction Spurs now offers to young players is the fact that we can be that stepping stone, it works if we get the right minimum number of years out of them, we get the right value for the sale and we act well in getting the replacement.
DublinSpur
Scott Parker
You misunderstood me. I wasn't making any judgement about whether we should buy him or not. I was just saying that it's not "odd" for him to want a shorter contract if he sees us as a stepping stone (I was explaining the player's likely position - not my own). From his perspective, a short contract makes it much easier for him to leave us after a couple of years if he wants.
That said, if you want my opinion on it... I think it would be crazy to give a three year contract to a youngster with huge potential (if that's how this kid is viewed). You yourself talk about the importance of getting "the right value for the sale". That becomes effectively impossible if the guy comes here on a three year contract. He can join Emirates Marketing Project on a free in 2017 right when he starts to fulfil his potential. You mention Bale. Do you remember the first two years of his time with us?
I vividly recall an interview that Robbie Keane gave when he said that Bale was going to be one of the best players in the world one day. That was after Bale had been with us for 2 or 3 years, and it was generally considered to be well over-the-top by most Spurs fans on the net. It was only in his fourth year at White Hart Lane that people started to use the phrase "world class" about Bale without being mocked for it. Imagine if he'd flown to Madrid on a free at that point. I wouldn't have seen his time at Spurs as being hugely beneficial for the club.
And don't you remember that Modric wanted to move to Chelsea after three years with us? How exactly would we have got "the right value for the sale" of Luka Modric from Real Madrid if he'd already ****ed off to Stamford Bridge on a free transfer the previous year? And that £30m we got for Berba would never have happened either if we'd signed him on a 3 year contract.
I just can't see how you can recommend signing "players with potential" on three year contracts if you think our recent strategy - which is built on longer contracts - is working. The entire "stepping stone" plan that you suggest "helped the club on the field, it helped us see great players in Spur's shirt and left us 150M or so better off" can only happen if the players are tied to longer contracts.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Any more information on the kid? Have you seen him play?
Agreed and this is just one potential reason why he should be looking for a shorter contract. Essentially, in my opinion at least, if he's good enough that we should be spending £3m on him in the first place it will most likely be in his best interest to get a shorter contract. Only if he's actually not that good, or he picks up a career threatening injury, or he completely stagnates or is a bad pro (knock on wood for all) would it benefit him to get a 5 year deal instead of a 3 year deal.
Even if he's not looking at us just as a stepping stone it would most likely be beneficial to have a shorter contract. Most likely his wages now, coming from Poland and not as someone targeted by the superclubs, will be relatively modest by PL standards. If he breaks in to the first team in 1-2 years his contract will be up for re-negotiation if his initial contract is 3 years and he'll be looking at a solid bump in pay. Even a year from now he might be in a strong negotiating position with just 2 years left even if he's only shown a handful of good performances or caught the eye with some individual brilliance even in a single game as 2 years left is about the last chance to avoid contract panic for the club.
With a 5 year contract on the other hand we could potentially keep him on that initial salary for his first 3 years and not panic. The club could also hand him a bump in pay (as seems likely with Bentaleb for example) and the player will be expected to sign an extension or perhaps add extension clauses to his contract, perhaps both. All of a sudden we have a contract lasting until 7 years from now after that first bump in pay instead of 5 years from now if his initial contract was just for 3 years.
Part of why Arsenal's wage budget is so high is that they've been handing out a lot of very player favourable contracts to highly rated and sought after young players I think. Then they end up having to bump their pay a couple of times by the time they're 24 to the point where the only way they can then further bump their pay is to leave or by Arsenal breaking their wage structure.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
I just typed out a reply to DublinSpurs, then read yours before I submitted and I think you have said everything that I wanted to (and probably much more eloquently too).
1. If the player does well in year 1 or 2 then a new improved contract is likely to be offered (and probably agreed to by the player).
2. If the player doesn't do particularly well in year 1 or 2 then he would be unlikely to be wanted by a bigger/richer club anyway
3. Modric did indeed want to move to Chelsea 3 years after joining us. However - as far as I remember he had signed a new contract with us 12 to 18 months before that (or am I mis-remembering here?)
4. Berbatov was at a much further advanced stage of his career when he joined Spurs. It would be unusual to sign such a player on a 3 year contract, whereas it is not unusual to sign a 19 year old player on a shorter deal.
5. I would imagine the agent's motives for a 3 year deal are to ensure that his client gets a good pay rise after 12 to 18 months. A 5 year deal may mean his client having to wait for 36 months before that happens.
Havent seen this mentioned anywhere however Hector Moreno, the Mexican/Espanol centre back who we're meant to be after, broke his left tibia in the Mexico game at the weekend so will be out for a few months (according to the papers). So we either sign a CB who is injured and will miss a decent chunk of the first half of the season, move on to teh next target or wait til Jan.....
Not ideal. He looked really good in teh world cup and price didnt seem crazy
Not ideal. He looked really good in teh world cup and price didnt seem crazy
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indianspur
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Superted
Jonathan Woodgate
He's being poorly advised then. Let's be honest, we'll all be laughing if he becomes that good that some of the fancier clubs start throwing cash at us. But chances are that he's most likely to be an average at best footballer. Not based on anything I've seen of him, just the success rates of previous youngsters from that end.
Why not lock yourself in for 5, if it turns to **** you've got 5 years guaranteed
If you turn out to be a star, do what everyone else does - have a strop until you get a pay rise or sold
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
The sort of wage a 19 year old player would be offered probably isn't worth locking yourself in for 5 years for.
If the club really want the player and the player really wants to come then I've no doubt both sides will compromise (probably a 4 year deal with yearly salary increases depending on number of appearances for first team, Polish national team, etc).
Superted
Jonathan Woodgate
Well if he turns out to be ****, then he'll only get the less-**** 19 year old wages for 3 years, and then the real **** wages for years 4 and 5. Has Winston Bogarde taught the young players coming through nothing?
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Bogarde was in a completely different situation.
Yes, if he's overrated and not actually worth the money we're (reportedly) willing to pay for him a long deal makes no sense. I see no reason why a 19 year old kid or his representatives should work on that assumption, especially as even if that turns out to be the case he'll most likely have a solid professional career to fall back on after those 3 years in a smaller league.
The Goat: This information has taken a while to trickle though to our source but Ben Davies was expected to visit the training ground at the start of this week to discuss terms. As we're late with this it may have already happened.
Jdhotspur on COYS
I have this info from someone close to the admin team@ Swansea. Levy and the Swansea Chairman have had several conversations. They seem to get on quite well, strangely... (from what I was told) I asked about £ I was told about £16m for Ben davies but £6/8m if Siggy was part of the deal. No news on Bony, but they have just signed Gomis on the back of them trying to shift Michu, whose got some issues with both knee and ankle injuries. Napoli have made some enqiry about him going on Loan with an option to buy.....
Jdhotspur on COYS
I have this info from someone close to the admin team@ Swansea. Levy and the Swansea Chairman have had several conversations. They seem to get on quite well, strangely... (from what I was told) I asked about £ I was told about £16m for Ben davies but £6/8m if Siggy was part of the deal. No news on Bony, but they have just signed Gomis on the back of them trying to shift Michu, whose got some issues with both knee and ankle injuries. Napoli have made some enqiry about him going on Loan with an option to buy.....
Hotshot-Tottenham
Edgar Davids
£16m for Davies?
Jesus wept.
Jesus wept.