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[Danishfurniturelover]

Reports now of 30,000 thousand protesters dead in a month. Not much in the news about it here.

Our media class more worried about 1 protestor who was driving a vehicle at someone being shot in the head in America.

Guess the poor people in Iran are a bit unfortunate there really. Very odd what some get concerned about and what they don't.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Reports now of 30,000 thousand protesters dead in a month. Not much in the news about it here.

Our media class more worried about 1 protestor who was driving a vehicle at someone being shot in the head in America.

Guess the poor people in Iran are a bit unfortunate there really. Very odd what some get concerned about and what they don't.

Dude the Iran protests and the deaths of these poor people have got more coverage than the Minnesota murder by any measurement. What planet are you on? Do some BBC front page analysis if you want.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Reports now of 30,000 thousand protesters dead in a month. Not much in the news about it here.

Our media class more worried about 1 protestor who was driving a vehicle at someone being shot in the head in America.

Guess the poor people in Iran are a bit unfortunate there really. Very odd what some get concerned about and what they don't.

Always great (and telling) when someone wants to use someone dying and someone else dying to drive division.

 

[LutonSpurs]

Always great (and telling) when someone wants to use someone dying and someone else dying to drive division.

Its what Al Qaeda and Isis did with Abu Ghraib. All these cults of extremists have the same play book. The acolytes are mostly dim but also often just lonely and unwell.

 

[SteveAWOL]

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[Danishfurniturelover]

Always great (and telling) when someone wants to use someone dying and someone else dying to drive division.

Who is using someone (well thousands) of people dying to drive division. You are projecting their lad.

Doesn't really work these days of shaming people into silence.

Yet another government is murdering thousands of innocent protesters. You guys on here did much hand wringing about one protester (I would call her agitator) in America dying.

Pretty telling that you could not come in this thread and just comment your sadness at the situation out there. The are also tenuous links to this country as one of the leaders has an office in London.

An office that when Iranians living in London went to protest outside of were attacked. I wait with baited breath to hear the comments of our beloved Mayor.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

"After the first death, there is no other!"

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

36,500 killed but not much talk on here about it, really confusing for you far left lot. The silence is defeaning your selective outrage appalling. It's almost like you don't care about the people being killed.

Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ own records allegedly acknowledge that more than 36,000 people were killed during the two-day crackdown,

I guess it's because of the people doing the killing. You have picked your side and the can be no questioning of anyone who might have links to it. Be honest it's because the is an islamic side to it and you can't accuse them of doing any wrong. Or the people you truly hate the right wingers will be proved correct, that the is a problem with Islam.

So consumed by hate for people of a different political point of view that you turn a blind eye to the killing of thousands of innocent people, yet comment on every other political topic.

It's actually evil you're intent.

 

[Lost Mango]

I think the coverage and response is to do with immediacy and agency.

The murder of 36,00 protesters in Iran is horrendous but is in many ways unconnected to us (beyond our role in overthrowing a semi-democratic government in the 50s to put a puppet monarch on the throne who we supported through repression so we had access to the oil, that led to the current regime overthrowing him in 1978/79). Iran is a pariah mainly due to the leadership but also due to the erroneous sanctions that have made life so much harder for the people of Iran but not the elite it is meant to punish.

America is much more immediate and relevant to the UK as a major ally, a place with massive links to us, and a similar culture that is perhaps a window to the unfortunate direction of travel that this country is taking if Putin's other puppet ever gets elected here.

Similar inconsistency ("hypocrisy") over Gaza and Sudan or any other genocide or ethnic cleansing. We are perhaps more invested in Gaza and Israel as we have direct responsibility for the creation of Israel and we sell weapons to the Israelis so the populace feel more invested in that issue than Sudan or Myanmar or wherever. Israel is also a country on the edges of the European/Western sphere and the Israeli population look quite similar to us (mainly because most of them are actually first or second generation Europeans).

There is some western hypocrisy, and probably conscious and sub-conscious racism, for sure - we are more invested in people and cultures that resemble ours but we are more concerned about situations that may have a direct impact on us economically, culturally, politically - hence USA, Ukraine, Israel take a higher profile and attention than Iran or non-western far away countries.

Don't think it is left/right thing. Must have missed Farage and all the poster boys of the anti-woke, anti-antifa, right of centre brains trust coming out with tweets and posts about Iran in greater numbers than the left. But then Iran has strong links to the Kremlin as well.

 

[Lost Mango]

But also, try and be honest. You don't give an ounce of anything about the Iranians.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I think the coverage and response is to do with immediacy and agency.

The murder of 36,00 protesters in Iran is horrendous but is in many ways unconnected to us (beyond our role in overthrowing a semi-democratic government in the 50s to put a puppet monarch on the throne who we supported through repression so we had access to the oil, that led to the current regime overthrowing him in 1978/79). Iran is a pariah mainly due to the leadership but also due to the erroneous sanctions that have made life so much harder for the people of Iran but not the elite it is meant to punish.

America is much more immediate and relevant to the UK as a major ally, a place with massive links to us, and a similar culture that is perhaps a window to the unfortunate direction of travel that this country is taking if Putin's other puppet ever gets elected here.

Similar inconsistency ("hypocrisy") over Gaza and Sudan or any other genocide or ethnic cleansing. We are perhaps more invested in Gaza and Israel as we have direct responsibility for the creation of Israel and we sell weapons to the Israelis so the populace feel more invested in that issue than Sudan or Myanmar or wherever. Israel is also a country on the edges of the European/Western sphere and the Israeli population look quite similar to us (mainly because most of them are actually first or second generation Europeans).

There is some western hypocrisy, and probably conscious and sub-conscious racism, for sure - we are more invested in people and cultures that resemble ours but we are more concerned about situations that may have a direct impact on us economically, culturally, politically - hence USA, Ukraine, Israel take a higher profile and attention than Iran or non-western far away countries.

Don't think it is left/right thing. Must have missed Farage and all the poster boys of the anti-woke, anti-antifa, right of centre brains trust coming out with tweets and posts about Iran in greater numbers than the left. But then Iran has strong links to the Kremlin as well.

Unconnected to us? you are making excuses you guys pick and choose your selective outrage and can not criticize anything if it is even close to a group you align yourself with. Here in the UK and Europe so called progressives align them with the increasingly militant Muslim community so you can not I need TP for my bunghole yourselves to criticize Iran and who is committing these acts out there. The response completely over shadows any good points you make on other topics and the are occasions some of you make some good points on different topics relating to race and religion. But the selective outrage just undermines your arguments and good points because it does not come from a place of honesty but political tribalism.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

But also, try and be honest. You don't give an ounce of anything about the Iranians.

I do actually. Because you have completely misread who I am like so many on here.

I am not racist I have always said I am proud of my working class roots from a council estate in North London, this country gave me opportunity and i was lucky in my life though through hard work as well to make a bit of money. But i have always stayed true and proud of my working class roots, why I have always hated the royal family and believed in things like publicly owned railways.

So as a working class bloke when i see other normal people in any country who just want to live their lives without any bother get brutally murdered with the army going into prisons and pulling them out of beds and shooting them in the head yes it bothers me, it bothers me greatly. I am not and never have been racist. This is about fairness as a lot of my political outlook is rooted in a fairness and it is unfair the way the Islamic Repbulic is treating its citizens. Iran was once a prosperous liberal country and then the Ismalists took over and look what happened to it. The fact that what is happening out there is happening because of the same thing I protest about makes it resonate a bit more with me because radical Islam destroys everything in its path, including 35,000 innocent civilans.

But you guys cant bring yourself to say it because the left in this country have become tied to the Muslim community and any acknowledgment that Islam has serious issues within it would have to bring you close to admitting the people in your political to borrow the Fabian sign are wolfs in sheeps clothing.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Oh so quiet still. No discussion of 35,000 people murdered.

You people just can't bring yourselves to discuss it can you. You might have to criticize erm well I'm not sure who is to blame.

 

[SteveAWOL]

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[Daisuk]

36,500 killed but not much talk on here about it, really confusing for you far left lot. The silence is defeaning your selective outrage appalling. It's almost like you don't care about the people being killed.

Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ own records allegedly acknowledge that more than 36,000 people were killed during the two-day crackdown,

I guess it's because of the people doing the killing. You have picked your side and the can be no questioning of anyone who might have links to it. Be honest it's because the is an islamic side to it and you can't accuse them of doing any wrong. Or the people you truly hate the right wingers will be proved correct, that the is a problem with Islam.

So consumed by hate for people of a different political point of view that you turn a blind eye to the killing of thousands of innocent people, yet comment on every other political topic.

It's actually evil you're intent.

Hey, I guess I'm a leftie, and I find it weird too. I was surprised when I heard a lot of the Palestinean protestors were against the protests in Iran, but forgot about the current Iran regime being Palestine friendly (well, anti Israel). There's not a lot written about it over here - the ICE incidents dominating (they're scary too, mind), but perhaps because a lot of info doesn't come out. It would be lovely if the people of Iran could liberate themselves from that oppressing hell of an Islamic regime over there.

Muslims are nice people, but Islam is a fudging cancer. All about social control. I know quite a few muslims, and seeing them one on one vs together is just shocking at times. Like a competition of being the best muslim by being pro the weirdest fudging Quran verse or whatever. Planet Earth will not miss islam.

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[LutonSpurs]

Here's a thing for people to understand. The Iranian regime has not been funded and armed by our government. Israel has. If this was being supported and funded by our government we would be on the streets protesting.

 

[thfcsteff]

Hey, I guess I'm a leftie, and I find it weird too. I was surprised when I heard a lot of the Palestinean protestors were against the protests in Iran, but forgot about the current Iran regime being Palestine friendly (well, anti Israel). There's not a lot written about it over here - the ICE incidents dominating (they're scary too, mind), but perhaps because a lot of info doesn't come out. It would be lovely if the people of Iran could liberate themselves from that oppressing hell of an Islamic regime over there.

Muslims are nice people, but Islam is a fudging cancer. All about social control. I know quite a few muslims, and seeing them one on one vs together is just shocking at times. Like a competition of being the best muslim by being pro the weirdest fudging Quran verse or whatever. Planet Earth will not miss islam.

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The biggest issue I have with the current 'outpouring' over Iran is not the outpouring itself (good grief these poor people have been subjugated by extremism for decades) it is the manipulation of their suffering because it suits an agenda right now. Too many times there is an echo of hope sent to the people from outside the country, only for that echo to slowly die off with another twist or shift, leaving millions isolated and stranded.

The truth for anyone who REALLY cares is that the subjugation of this country really started in earnest in 1953, then wore different subjugative clothes in 1979, and has continued ever since. The same numbers we've heard about during this latest attempt to free themselves applied back in 1988. This is sadly -tragically- not new. And the causes of it can be traced back to several very clear policy initiatives from outside the country. Anyone interested in knowing more should read All The Shah's Men by Stephen Kinder, and King Of Kings by Scott Anderson, both very well written books which (at times) seem like fiction. Tragically. In particular, it is well, WELL worth paying attention to exactly how the '79 revolution happened, and how it could so easily have been avoided. Of course the Iranians deserve better, much better, and of course I abhor extremism of the type which subjugates the people in the way it does.