Injuries

[P.D.]

They probably do. You'd think that a PL footballer would have facilities at home as well, and the club would work with them to get the right specialists in at their convenience.

Definitely, you'd hope the players take it upon themselves to use some of their spare time for things like this. All the top players now hire in personal chefs and nutritionists at their own expense.

 

[spurspinter1]

I don't need to feel better thank you very much.

The media have a narrative that they push, that's their job, not a job to be proud of in my opinion, but hey they have a living to make.
They are focusing on us despite their being several other clubs not performing to expectations, some considerably worse than us.
But our fan base makes it easy for them, because as you say and I said in the original post we have a fairly solid section of them that are whingeing, entitled want it all nows.

You keep on mentioning the "narrative" but can't pin down exactly what it is.

Man Utd are getting loads of brick for being where they are, deservedly so! Much like we're ripe for comedy too. But at least they had their time in the sun.

It's all very boohoo journalists have happened to pick our club to be a target and it's not fair. What do you want them to say, everything's going fine and we're on the right track? You can find that out there if you crave it so much, and you create your own algorithm so it's pretty easy to block out the stuff that seemingly upsets you.

We'll go round in circles unless you can provide examples of what you're actually getting at, but if you'd rather I let you off, this is indeed the injury thread so that's an easy out. There's better threads to pin the blame on Jamie Carragher and Co available, if that floats your boat. Hopefully we'll just see some positivity brought on by good results rather, if not performances in the near future.

Back on injuries, you've got to wonder whether Ange has no chance because of these injuries, or if it is indeed his style of play causing them. Was it 8 out of 10 injuries are hamstrings?

 

[glasgowspur]

You keep on mentioning the "narrative" but can't pin down exactly what it is.

Man Utd are getting loads of brick for being where they are, deservedly so! Much like we're ripe for comedy too. But at least they had their time in the sun.

It's all very boohoo journalists have happened to pick our club to be a target and it's not fair. What do you want them to say, everything's going fine and we're on the right track? You can find that out there if you crave it so much, and you create your own algorithm so it's pretty easy to block out the stuff that seemingly upsets you.

We'll go round in circles unless you can provide examples of what you're actually getting at, but if you'd rather I let you off, this is indeed the injury thread so that's an easy out. There's better threads to pin the blame on Jamie Carragher and Co available, if that floats your boat. Hopefully we'll just see some positivity brought on by good results rather, if not performances in the near future.

Back on injuries, you've got to wonder whether Ange has no chance because of these injuries, or if it is indeed his style of play causing them. Was it 8 out of 10 injuries are hamstrings?

Hang on it minute, you plucked one sentence from a multi paragraph post and quoted it with no context. Even though there is an example in the post of exactly what I am talking about you have chosen to ignore it.
I've done you the courtesy of replying twice explaining my point of view, and yet you imply that I am one of the happy clappy every thing is wonderful group. Which if you read my posts is not an accurate reflection.
And to just to clear my issue is not with the media narrative but that some of our supporters are fool enough to follow it.

 

[spurspinter1]

Hang on it minute, you plucked one sentence from a multi paragraph post and quoted it with no context. Even though there is an example in the post of exactly what I am talking about you have chosen to ignore it.
I've done you the courtesy of replying twice explaining my point of view, and yet you imply that I am one of the happy clappy every thing is wonderful group. Which if you read my posts is not an accurate reflection.
And to just to clear my issue is not with the media narrative but that some of our supporters are fool enough to follow it.

I didn't mean to imply it, but if you have a problem with media negativity, that would imply that you would prefer to see more positive takes on the situation.

Most supporters are more concerned about things like the league table than what journos are saying about it.

Was the example the "If it was the other way around Jamie Carragher would be positive about Liverpool etc etc"? Because that's not an example, it's an imagined situation. There's a narrative to suit every possible argument out there to ensure everyone feels vindicated by their feelings and constantly engaged, simply go to www.iamright.com and there's a journalist / tiktokker who will validate your feelings. Maybe there's examples of what a media narrative looks like on there as well.

Moaning about fans seems the done thing in trying times, I'm not sure what it achieves, presumably temporary distraction. All power to those who indulge if it helps.

 

[Jurgen the German]

That the focus is on us, we are deservedly where we are, as are utd, as are city, neither villa or Saudi Sportswashing Machine are pulling up any trees despite being further along in their "projects".
But our fans make a lot noise so we are an easy target for the media.
You would think we were the only team in crisis atm.

It’s not solely on us mate, the media are giving United pelters too. Emirates Marketing Project aren’t getting off lightly either.

 

[Robspur12]

Dragusin ankle ?

Was that caused by a knock? If not, and, this is not just to beat Ange but a genuine question to understand our injury situation, could ankle injuries also not be caused by the way we asking the back line to defend? E.g sprints from a standing start, slowing down suddenly, rolling the ankle in the process or straining it ? I mean is it just a coincidence that it’s our back line that is suffering from a high number of injuries?

 

[thfcsteff]

My thoughts on pilates, yoga, stretching, massage etc is that it needs to be an individual plan as every players physiology is different.

People talk about Giggs. Aguero another. Ledders / McGrath others.

The big question is whether every player's body is treated uniquely or whether we're doing one-size-fits-all strategies with this important area?

I think it should be an individual plan indeed, and I also think it should be a detail we engage in with our squad. I think it should be part of the recovery sessions we do, and part of the full training when we're able.

That's a question I asked here too. It looks to me like it's a one-size strategy, and I base that on no knowledge other than 4 hamstring injuries in our current squad. These are details which can get a manager sacked. And when people say we should play differently because the style compounds these issues, I think it's madness. Like buying a high-performance car which can be volatile and saying that rather than driving it as designed, you should trundle it like a beetle; you would surely simply make sure you had very good mechanics and maintenance programs? I wouldn't know as VW driver all my life LOL...

 

[glasgowspur]

It’s not solely on us mate, the media are giving United pelters too. Emirates Marketing Project aren’t getting off lightly either.

The utd thing is hilarious, there is so much wrong at that club and just now they're focusing on a manager a month in the job.
But that's what stirs the support up, that's what gets clicks, that's what we (spurs supporters) should not be rising to.
Fudge the media, I don't follow any of it, but there's a couple of articles a week, at least, posted on here about how Jimmy mcdougal or Sandra rathbone have figured out how we are crap and it is all because of blah.
Well if any of them were that good they could have predicted the absolute basket case of a league it's been this season and fleeced the bookies and be sitting itheir yatchs in the Caribbean while drinking pina coladas.
They know fudge all.

 

[glasgowspur]

It’s not solely on us mate, the media are giving United pelters too. Emirates Marketing Project aren’t getting off lightly either.

The utd thing is hilarious, there is so much wrong at that club and just now they're focusing on a manager a month in the job.
But that's what stirs the support up, that's what gets clicks, that's what we (spurs supporters) should not be rising to.
Fudge the media, I don't follow any of it, but there's a couple of articles a week, at least, posted on here about how Jimmy mcdougal or Sandra rathbone have figured out how we are crap and it is all because of blah.
Well if any of them were that good they could have predicted the absolute basket case of a league it's been this season and fleeced the bookies and be sitting itheir yatchs in the Caribbean while drinking pina coladas.
They know fudge all

I didn't mean to imply it, but if you have a problem with media negativity, that would imply that you would prefer to see more positive takes on the situation.

Most supporters are more concerned about things like the league table than what journos are saying about it.

Was the example the "If it was the other way around Jamie Carragher would be positive about Liverpool etc etc"? Because that's not an example, it's an imagined situation. There's a narrative to suit every possible argument out there to ensure everyone feels vindicated by their feelings and constantly engaged, simply go to www.iamright.com and there's a journalist / tiktokker who will validate your feelings. Maybe there's examples of what a media narrative looks like on there as well.

Moaning about fans seems the done thing in trying times, I'm not sure what it achieves, presumably temporary distraction. All power to those who indulge if it helps.

I'm not concerned about negative media narrative, couldn't give fudge.

I am concerned that a considerable amount of our supporters seem to give it any creedance at all.

 

[thfcsteff]

Yet a bunch of people on here want us to replace our current manager with the manager of Bournemouth....

Liverpool's stats are also broadly similar to ours and yet they are fine. Is that because they have a bigger, better squad than us or could it be that they have just been less unlucky with injuries?

Or that their medical staff are better?

 

[thfcsteff]

Was that caused by a knock? If not, and, this is not just to beat Ange but a genuine question to understand our injury situation, could ankle injuries also not be caused by the way we asking the back line to defend? E.g sprints from a standing start, slowing down suddenly, rolling the ankle in the process or straining it ? I mean is it just a coincidence that it’s our back line that is suffering from a high number of injuries?

It's a good question, and one I'd have hoped the club have answered and are addressing. There's plenty of ways to deal with that if it is a contributing factor.

 

[relic58]

Was that caused by a knock? If not, and, this is not just to beat Ange but a genuine question to understand our injury situation, could ankle injuries also not be caused by the way we asking the back line to defend? E.g sprints from a standing start, slowing down suddenly, rolling the ankle in the process or straining it ? I mean is it just a coincidence that it’s our back line that is suffering from a high number of injuries?

A long long time ago I was a member of an athletics club, (I was a middle distance runner). This was before the days of sports science etc. But yes the most common injuries for sprinters (up to 400mtrs) were hamstring and ankle injuries. I dont think this can really be avoided due to the explosive and sudden nature of sprinting. Footware also plays a big part, sprinters only had spikes on the front of their shoes and performed on a smooth surface. In my experience sprint hard and fast on grass repeatedly and you are asking for trouble. I'm no expert though and sport has moved on a hell of a lot since my time, but the human body is still the same.

 

[Raziel]

Exactly what is this mystery illness that Moore has? The Black Death? How long has it been now?

He has an illness that is quite common in teenagers, it's why the manager has asked that people respect his privacy. I'm not going to put it here, if you search hard enough, you fill find it.

 

[Raziel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1872610036859748652

Davies out for another couple of weeks

 

[spurspinter1]

I'm not concerned about negative media narrative, couldn't give fudge.

I am concerned that a considerable amount of our supporters seem to give it any creedance at all.

So the specific media narrative was indeed an imaginary situation and you're concerned about fans getting taken in by it, you don't help yourself do you

Look, I have been trying to understand in earnest, happy to park it here as being asked to explain is winding you up and I'm not trying to stress anyone out over the holidays!

There's plenty of injuries to be concerned about. It's a bastard with Davies having another setback. I'm not sure us lot suggesting yoga is going to solve the crisis but it's worth us signing a letter and having a whipround to hire a renowned instructor - I'm all about positive action rather than mithering these days....

 

[glasgowspur]

So the specific media narrative was indeed an imaginary situation and you're concerned about fans getting taken in by it, you don't help yourself do you

Look, I have been trying to understand in earnest, happy to park it here as being asked to explain is winding you up and I'm not trying to stress anyone out over the holidays!

There's plenty of injuries to be concerned about. It's a bastard with Davies having another setback. I'm not sure us lot suggesting yoga is going to solve the crisis but it's worth us signing a letter and having a whipround to hire a renowned instructor - I'm all about positive action rather than mithering these days....

Ah, up to your old tricks again if quoting sentences from posts out of context, twisting peoples words and making sly digs.

Goodbye.

 

[SteveAWOL]

Richarlison and Moore finally due back in training next week, hopefully they won’t be rushed back like Romero and van de Ven.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1872772194889286085

 

[Muttley]

I think it should be an individual plan indeed, and I also think it should be a detail we engage in with our squad. I think it should be part of the recovery sessions we do, and part of the full training when we're able.

That's a question I asked here too. It looks to me like it's a one-size strategy, and I base that on no knowledge other than 4 hamstring injuries in our current squad. These are details which can get a manager sacked. And when people say we should play differently because the style compounds these issues, I think it's madness. Like buying a high-performance car which can be volatile and saying that rather than driving it as designed, you should trundle it like a beetle; you would surely simply make sure you had very good mechanics and maintenance programs? I wouldn't know as VW driver all my life LOL...

The hypothetical question is whether the injuries would calm down if Ange had 2 players for every position that he both trusted and rotated.

One clue against Ange is that we only played 41 games last season and he still ended up a massive injury list.