Igor the Interim

[Bedfordspurs]

Few weeks off?

Micky
Suspended so has a few weeks off from the league

 

[Mr Gogolak]

I'm not talking about that. (Although I'd disagree to a level even with that tbh.)

Its the head scratching formations and playing of players in unfamiliar positions.

Eg Porro, probably one of the best crossers in the team (league?) ...play him RCB in a three.

They're supposed to swap positions a lot - although they haven't been able to do that at all. The reasoning behind that is, in Tudor's set up, you want your RCB and LCB to move up the pitch and either pass the ball into a dangerous position, create an overload or swap position with the guy on the right hand side, while the central midfielder take his position in defense.

When it works, it's supposed to give more time and space to the players so, in theory, you want progressive passers/crossers there but they haven't been able to implement the system at all, for one reason or another.

 

[DubSpur]

They're supposed to swap positions a lot - although they haven't been able to do that at all. The reasoning behind that is, in Tudor's set up, you want your RCB and LCB to move up the pitch and either pass the ball into a dangerous position, create an overload or swap position with the guy on the right hand side, while the central midfielder take his position in defense.

When it works, it's supposed to give more time and space to the players so, in theory, you want progressive passers/crossers there but they haven't been able to implement the system at all, for one reason or another.

Trying to implement a system like that with 10 games to go and little time on the training pitch is stupid. It needs a pre-season for that. Just put them in their right positions, keep it simple, try improve confidence, and motivate them.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'm not talking about that. (Although I'd disagree to a level even with that tbh.)

Its the head scratching formations and playing of players in unfamiliar positions.

Eg Porro, probably one of the best crossers in the team (league?) ...play him RCB in a three.

Yeh but he knows Porro is a RB and not a CB, I am sure his knowledge is of that level. I imagine there are other factors at play with those weird decisions, probably based on the muck he sees in training and the whole Spurs conundrum, how do you get a Porsche out of a load of parts fit for a Lada.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Yeh but he knows Porro is a RB and not a CB, I am sure his knowledge is of that level. I imagine there are other factors at play with those weird decisions, probably based on the muck he sees in training and the whole Spurs conundrum, how do you get a Porsche out of a load of parts fit for a Lada.

We don’t need a Porsche, I don’t think anyone’s asking for or expecting a Porsche, but we should be able to get a Volkswagen or a Ford out of these parts and that would be enough for now…

 

[Mr Gogolak]

Trying to implement a system like that with 10 games to go and little time on the training pitch is stupid. It needs a pre-season for that. Just put them in their right positions, keep it simple, try improve confidence, and motivate them.

I don't watch Serie A anymore but I think playing 3 at the back is more common there (and that's where he's been working most of his managerial career). It's no secret how he sets up his teams so whoever appointed him made a huge mistake - again. Unless Tudor lied to his face during the interview and said he'd play a flat back four but I very much doubt that.

When you get it wrong so many times, it takes a miracle not to be punished for it...

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

We don’t need a Porsche, I don’t think anyone’s asking for or expecting a Porsche, but we should be able to get a Volkswagen or a Ford out of these parts and that would be enough for now…

I was clearly being extreme in my examples, but this lot don't amount to a VW. We are relying on players who have consistently let down multiple managers or have no real history of excellence in the game. Its a melting pot of disaster.

I know there is this idea floating around Spurs fans that you just chuck a motivator like Redknapp at it and it all becomes good, but I have seen enough of the crumbs here to know this is a mess greater than someone saying a few nice words.

I am not aiming that at anyone on here and not being spiky to anyone on here, I am just fed up of these players constantly letting people down with their attitude and mistakes, its been a theme for a long time now.

 

[fernadez]

I was clearly being extreme in my examples, but this lot don't amount to a VW. We are relying on players who have consistently let down multiple managers or have no real history of excellence in the game. Its a melting pot of disaster.

I know there is this idea floating around Spurs fans that you just chuck a motivator like Redknapp at it and it all becomes good, but I have seen enough of the crumbs here to know this is a mess greater than someone saying a few nice words.

I am not aiming that at anyone on here and not being spiky to anyone on here, I am just fed up of these players constantly letting people down with their attitude and mistakes, its been a theme for a long time now.

Which is I wanted to bring in a Dyche type.

We need someone who will just tell them, lads you're brick, don't claim to be better than this but your performances don't show it. If you wasn't we wouldn't have these results. This is what we're gonna do to combat this and how we're gonna grind out points. Kind of like Frank was doing at the beginning of the season........

 

[DeanoAustin]

Which is I wanted to bring in a Dyche type.

We need someone who will just tell them, lads you're brick, don't claim to be better than this but your performances don't show it. If you wasn't we wouldn't have these results. This is what we're gonna do to combat this and how we're gonna grind out points. Kind of like Frank was doing at the beginning of the season........

Isn't that pretty much the approach Tudor has taken?

 

[fernadez]

Isn't that pretty much the approach Tudor has taken?

He seems to be alluding to it.

For his part was the right team but probably wrong formation yesterday. But when we upped it we looked threatening so.....

 

[DeanoAustin]

He seems to be alluding to it.

For his part was the right team but probably wrong formation yesterday. But when we upped it we looked threatening so.....

Did we? Not being funny but I remember a Tel effort and we didn't have one other shot on goal until Solanke scored. Once we went ahead, we came apart like a cheap suit. Did we have many other chances?

I will give some credit to the players for keeping the score down second half. I feared 5 or 6.

 

[DaveT316]

I suspect it'll come out he's injured

Certainly possible, given Tudor mentioned it the other week. As I said, I’m not looking to add more fuel, there’s possibly a good reason for it, but what it said to me that he wasn’t ready for a game of PL intensity, for whatever reason…

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

I was clearly being extreme in my examples, but this lot don't amount to a VW. We are relying on players who have consistently let down multiple managers or have no real history of excellence in the game. Its a melting pot of disaster.

I know there is this idea floating around Spurs fans that you just chuck a motivator like Redknapp at it and it all becomes good, but I have seen enough of the crumbs here to know this is a mess greater than someone saying a few nice words.

I am not aiming that at anyone on here and not being spiky to anyone on here, I am just fed up of these players constantly letting people down with their attitude and mistakes, its been a theme for a long time now.

I think that’s reactionary to our current results and performances. If you really think these players should look this bad and the club should be in this form, with such poor results at home then I don’t know what to say (no one had us down for relegation before the season started..). And before any strawman arguments arise I’m not saying we should be challenging for anything other than mid table safety with the injuries we have.

 

[fernadez]

Did we? Not being funny but I remember a Tel effort and we didn't have one other shot on goal until Solanke scored. Once we went ahead, we came apart like a cheap suit. Did we have many other chances?

I will give some credit to the players for keeping the score down second half. I feared 5 or 6.

I'm not measuring threatening in chances anymore, stopped that last season.

My metric is getting into the other teams final third now.

 

[DeanoAustin]

I'm not measuring threatening in chances anymore, stopped that last season.

My metric is getting into the other teams final third now.

fudge me mate, how did we get here?

Funnily enough, that seems to be exactly what our players say on the rare occasions we do get into the final third.

 

[fernadez]

fudge me mate, how did we get here?

Funnily enough, that seems to be exactly what our players say on the rare occasions we do get into the final third.

Not having a midfielder who can pass forwards. If Hojberg was still here he'd be looking like prime Pirlo right now.

 

[DubSpur]

Did we? Not being funny but I remember a Tel effort and we didn't have one other shot on goal until Solanke scored. Once we went ahead, we came apart like a cheap suit. Did we have many other chances?

I will give some credit to the players for keeping the score down second half. I feared 5 or 6.

In the second half we had a few chances. Keeper made a good save from Solanke after he burst past a couple of players.
12 shots, 4 on target so it was an improvement.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I think that’s reactionary to our current results and performances. If you really think these players should look this bad and the club should be in this form, with such poor results at home then I don’t know what to say (no one had us down for relegation before the season started..). And before any strawman arguments arise I’m not saying we should be challenging for anything other than mid table safety with the injuries we have.

I don't think its anything of the sort mate. I think the injuries, the reliance on the likes of Souza, Tel etc who should be having formative season, not deep end stuff, what has been a continuation of calamities from so called leadership groups of Romero, MVDV and Vicario which we have seen for longer than just this season. We are seeing a perfect storm of what you don't want to be left with if you only have 13 players. I think its far from reactionary mate..........

The relative consistency and contributing quality which NF and WHU are now able to put out in comparison to ours puts it into context for me.

I have massive sympathy for Tudor as I will have for the next lucky guy on the conveyor belt of hail marys we turn to

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

They're supposed to swap positions a lot - although they haven't been able to do that at all. The reasoning behind that is, in Tudor's set up, you want your RCB and LCB to move up the pitch and either pass the ball into a dangerous position, create an overload or swap position with the guy on the right hand side, while the central midfielder take his position in defense.

When it works, it's supposed to give more time and space to the players so, in theory, you want progressive passers/crossers there but they haven't been able to implement the system at all, for one reason or another.

I get that's the theory
And that's the theory of a shipbuilder.

We're needing the skipper of a lifeboat.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I think that’s reactionary to our current results and performances. If you really think these players should look this bad and the club should be in this form, with such poor results at home then I don’t know what to say (no one had us down for relegation before the season started..). And before any strawman arguments arise I’m not saying we should be challenging for anything other than mid table safety with the injuries we have.

I will repeat, its not reactionary given the culmination of injuries and we have left is a reliance on players who are clearly in their professional infancy or can not be relied upon even given their seniority. I think we are where we currently deserve to be, its certainly not Igor Tudors fault (I say that because this is the thread with his name on it).

I am certainly not expecting two of our leadership group to give away needless Red Cards in a relegation battle, the fact they have and basically stifled any chance of momentum or hope proves what I am saying about this group of players.

I watched abit of both West Ham and Forest recently and what is abundantly clear is they have their depth back and their senior players are absolutely stepping up at a time ours are going for a hide and a sulk........again