Hugo Lloris

[chicken_badge]

Re: Ratings against man u

How so? The interesting thing about statements like this is that they are impossible to test.

Out of interest, do you think that there are any saves that Freidel made that Loris wouldn't have and do you think that changing keeper could have had a detrimental effect on the defenders in front of him?

I think we saw with Gomes two seasons ago how lack of confidence in a keeper can rock the defence. I rate Gomes and think that when on form - as he was for the season before - he is a superb keeper.

Right now I don't think Friedal is as good as it gets. He's decent, and would be good enough to be our number 1. But he doesn't seem to dominate his box, he rarely comes for crosses and I do think our back four may have second thoughts about when he takes responsibility or not. Lloris, I don't know much about, but maybe he will have that bit more authority. Certainly can't be worse for distribution.

But I would say AVB is playing it about right, keeping faith in Friedal and letting Lloris get the other competitions. Worth being in the Europa League for that alone!

 

[milo]

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Right now I don't think Friedal is as good as it gets. He's decent, and would be good enough to be our number 1. But he doesn't seem to dominate his box, he rarely comes for crosses and I do think our back four may have second thoughts about when he takes responsibility or not. Lloris, I don't know much about, but maybe he will have that bit more authority. Certainly can't be worse for distribution.

I agree with that but I would add that Freidel is in a very good run of form. I agree that he does not dominate his box, like many modern keepers, he is primarily an excellent shot stopper (as we saw a couple of time yesterday). The problem with coming out for the ball is that they move around so much now that there is a very real chance that you grasp at thin air and are stranded and out of position. A keeper who comes out for crosses also risks unnerving his defence or their being a lack of communication as to who should go for a ball.

 

[onlyme]

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[AberYid]

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I would say no league clean sheets thus far suggests something is broken. Unfortunately we don't have a world class defender on the bench to come in, we do, however, have a world class goalkeeper.

 

[ArcspacE]

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How so?

By simply being the superior keeper, imv - first goal especially (second one was a toughie, granted). Better positioning, agility, reading of the game and reacting time could have blocked / intercepted Nani and/or Nani's shot

The same way Radamel Falcao would have put away half of Defoe's missed chances (in most games - not Utd in specific).

This is not a viscious attack or defamation of character on either player - simply a realisitc observation

 

[milo]

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By simply being the superior keeper, imv - first goal especially (second one was a toughie, granted). Better positioning, agility, reading of the game and reacting time could have blocked / intercepted Nani and/or Nani's shot

The same way Radamel Falcao would have put away half of Defoe's missed chances (in most games - not Utd in specific).

This is not a viscious attack or defamation of character on either player - simply a realisitc observation

The problem is that this is just your opinion and we can never tell whether you are right. We don't know whether Lloris would have spilled one of the saves that Brad made or be caught of his line? I think that Lloris looked alright again Lazio but he didn't have much to do. Brad had tons to do on Saturday and did it very well.

 

[ArcspacE]

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Of course - which is why I generally tend to add' imv' around most such subjective statements. I don't see that as a 'problem' etiher, considering this medium is largerly based and geared towards 90% of those.

On the contrary - those saying Brad couldn't do anything about the goal are equally 'correct'

But besides all that nonsense - wouldn't you agree that 6 games later and over a goal/game concded (not a single clean sheet either) - it might be a good time to let Lloris have a pop against Villa - in a home game vs. bottom 10 opponent (in terms of form). Brad isn't known for high-profile errors and/or sharp drops in form - he is reliable (if not spectacular) enough to avoid that - so at which point do we execute the transition in your view?

 

[milo]

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Of course - which is why I generally tend to add' imv' around most such subjective statements. I don't see that as a 'problem' etiher, considering this medium is largerly based and geared towards 90% of those.

On the contrary - those saying Brad couldn't do anything about the goal are equally 'correct'

But besides all that nonsense - wouldn't you agree that 6 games later and over a goal/game concded (not a single clean sheet either) - it might be a good time to let Lloris have a pop against Villa - in a home game vs. bottom 10 opponent (in terms of form). Brad isn't known for high-profile errors and/or sharp drops in form - he is reliable (if not spectacular) enough to avoid that - so at which point do we execute the transition in your view?

I'm happy to trust the manager and coaching team with who should start against Villa. My guess is that Lloris will play on Thursday and Brad on Sunday.

 

[ArcspacE]

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I also trust the manager - but asked for your personal opinion. If you were in charge - who would you start against Villa and would you not consider Lloris for the spot?

 

[milo]

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I think that I would stick with the status quo. We are on a good run of results and Brad is playing well. The other reason I would be tempted to not change anything is that we have a very inexperienced defence and changing keeper could unsettled them.

I also think that it is in Lloris' best interests that he is introduced to the team and English football slowly. We could do without the media circus that was around De Gea at the beginning of last season.

 

[Kingdawson]

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Get it into your head you annoying hater with a massive agenda...YOUR BOY LLORIS IS A BENCH PLAYER FOR NOW AND WILL REMAIN THAT WAY UNTIL BRAD PERFORMS BADLY. You can twist, nit pick, and do every sort of dirty, smear tactic you want to promote your favourites credentials but with Super brad behind the sticks and another win for the team it's not looking likely for Lloris to get a league game anytime soon.

Come back when Brad actually performs badly and we'll all talk about but until then we (i'm talking for reasonable posters) have no time for this continues smear campaign.

 

[ArcspacE]

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I think that I would stick with the status quo. We are on a good run of results and Brad is playing well. The other reason I would be tempted to not change anything is that we have a very inexperienced defence and changing keeper could unsettled them.

I also think that it is in Lloris' best interests that he is introduced to the team and English football slowly. We could do without the media circus that was around De Gea at the beginning of last season.

Fair enough.

However, if for argument sake Brad continues in his current form until January - do you believe it would be unreasonable to suggest dropping him at all? Another way to ask this would be - how is Lloris meant to get a chance in the PL (PL game) if Brad never loses (substantial) form - bearing in mind precedent is very much on his side, having been a solid keeper for most of his career.

Personally I don't expect Brad to enter a Gomes-like void of errors and loss of confidence so if AVB wants to really introduce Lloris into the team at some point he would have to bite the bullet and go for it. And if Brad is the team player I believe he is (and the one he claims to be in his interviews) he would surely understand, don't you agree? The same way Defoe would understand Ade has to be given a run of games at some point himself.

 

[Pirate55]

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Fair enough.

However, if for argument sake Brad continues in his current form until January - do you believe it would be unreasonable to suggest dropping him at all? Another way to ask this would be - how is Lloris meant to get a chance in the PL (PL game) if Brad never loses (substantial) form - bearing in mind precedent is very much on his side, having been a solid keeper for most of his career.

Personally I don't expect Brad to enter a Gomes-like void of errors and loss of confidence so if AVB wants to really introduce Lloris into the team at some point he would have to bite the bullet and go for it. And if Brad is the team player I believe he is (and the one he claims to be in his interviews) he would surely understand, don't you agree? The same way Defoe would understand Ade has to be given a run of games at some point himself.

It has always been my view in football that the man who has the shirt retains the shirt unless/until his form determines otherwise. We have been playing some decent stuff and obtaining results. We should not be making arbitrary changes unless and until it becomes necessary - ie loss of form, injury etc. Just like Defoes performance in the first half at Man U, should continue to see him start - with Ade possibly introduced in the second half to begin with, unfortunately with goalies you cant/shouldnt just sub at half time.

Lloris to play in Europe for now. The time for him will come in the League - but it isnt now.

 

[milo]

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It has always been my view in football that the man who has the shirt retains the shirt unless/until his form determines otherwise. We have been playing some decent stuff and obtaining results. We should not be making arbitrary changes unless and until it becomes necessary - ie loss of form, injury etc. Just like Defoes performance in the first half at Man U, should continue to see him start - with Ade possibly introduced in the second half to begin with, unfortunately with goalies you cant/shouldnt just sub at half time.

Lloris to play in Europe for now. The time for him will come in the League - but it isnt now.

I agree and think that players are more likely to respect a manager who takes this approach.

 

[harr1984]

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So we win at Old Trafford and still some questioning whether Lloris should have been in goal - Is this going to come up after literally every game?

 

[Poker Boy]

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By simply being the superior keeper, imv - first goal especially (second one was a toughie, granted). Better positioning, agility, reading of the game and reacting time could have blocked / intercepted Nani and/or Nani's shot

You go on as if Lloris has never conceeded a goal in his life!!!

 

[ArcspacE]

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Lloris to play in Europe for now. The time for him will come in the League - but it isnt now.

I can respect that but purely out of interest - when do you personally see his time 'being'? Or what needs to happen for him to earn his shrt?

 

[ringo]

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It is tough one for AVB. Dropping Brad is not going to send out the right signals, in terms of, 'no favourites here, you get in the team on merit, if your performances deserve it.' On the other hand we all know Brad is coming to the end of his career, and Lloris has ben signed to replace him. And I bet the conversation didn't go "Come to Spurs Hugo, you can sit on the bench for a year, play Europa Cup games and get into the team next season. "Pas de probleme." If he doesn't get games he is probably going to fall out of favour with his national team. It's not the best way to motivate your keeper of the future.

The best solution is to have quiet word with Brad -do some post career deal that keeps Brad on as GK coach or similar, and phase him out as first choice keeper sooner rather than later. With Brad making it public that he is happy with that. Would Brad go for that..don't know. But if Hugo is not playing regular first team football for at least half this season, there is a risk he will leave, regardless of how well we do this season. He won't be short of offers.

 

[scaramanga]

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It is tough one for AVB. Dropping Brad is not going to send out the right signals, in terms of, 'no favourites here, you get in the team on merit, if your performances deserve it.' On the other hand we all know Brad is coming to the end of his career, and Lloris has ben signed to replace him. And I bet the conversation didn't go "Come to Spurs Hugo, you can sit on the bench for a year, play Europa Cup games and get into the team next season. "Pas de probleme." If he doesn't get games he is probably going to fall out of favour with his national team. It's not the best way to motivate your keeper of the future.

The best solution is to have quiet word with Brad -do some post career deal that keeps Brad on as GK coach or similar, and phase him out as first choice keeper sooner rather than later. With Brad making it public that he is happy with that. Would Brad go for that..don't know. But if Hugo is not playing regular first team football for at least half this season, there is a risk he will leave, regardless of how well we do this season. He won't be short of offers.

I agree completely. In fact, it would make the transition far smoother if Brad were to make some public statements along the lines of age making it diificult for him to play every match.

 

[scaramanga]

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It has always been my view in football that the man who has the shirt retains the shirt unless/until his form determines otherwise. We have been playing some decent stuff and obtaining results. We should not be making arbitrary changes unless and until it becomes necessary - ie loss of form, injury etc. Just like Defoes performance in the first half at Man U, should continue to see him start - with Ade possibly introduced in the second half to begin with, unfortunately with goalies you cant/shouldnt just sub at half time.

Lloris to play in Europe for now. The time for him will come in the League - but it isnt now.

Your post would suggest that the change would simply be for the sake of change. That belies an opinion that changing our keeper would have no beneficial effect on the team.

Whilst none of us can say for sure whether it would result in fewer goals conceded (although it's my belief that it would), evidence so far would suggest we would be far more likely to keep possession and build from the back which seems to be integral to AVB's plans.