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Heathrow expansion

Lilbaz said:
I said that at the moment heathrows runways are at max capacity. Means any problems there are massive delays. Which means planes circle till they get a landing spot.
An extra runway will reduce that.

An extra runway will not create demand. The demand is there or it isn't. An extra runway will not mean a family wants to go on an extra holiday each year. Or a businessman wants an extra business trip. Or even that the uk are going to start exporting/importing more goods.
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Why do you think it is being built out of interest?
 
Lilbaz said:
I said that at the moment heathrows runways are at max capacity. Means any problems there are massive delays. Which means planes circle till they get a landing spot.
An extra runway will reduce that.

An extra runway will not create demand. The demand is there or it isn't. An extra runway will not mean a family wants to go on an extra holiday each year. Or a businessman wants an extra business trip. Or even that the uk are going to start exporting/importing more goods.
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But there will be new routes. Flights that used to go via Paris or Frankfurt might go via Heathrow's new runway?
 
scaramanga said:
Labour got in on a policy of not being the Conservative party.

The problem for them is that the public don't want Labour policies. They want Conservative policies run by a competent govt.
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Labour actually just got in by default because tory voters didn't turn up. Labour actually got less votes than under Corbyn. Basically, a lot of people are complete disillusioned with both major parties and British politics in general.
 
Think some people might be misunderstanding my comment about demand.

Let me put it another way. Building more hospitals and employing more doctors and nurses, will not increase the amount of sick people in the country.
 
scaramanga said:
That's a generous description. Not much of anything happened at any kind of pace before capitalism - certainly not anything near the kind of pace you'd like things to change in order to reduce climate change.


I think you've misunderstood.

You're seeing capitalism through the lens of a/some/all leftist economic and political theories. Capitalism isn't organised around anything, nobody is conducting it. Capitalism is just the default that occurs when one doesn't override it with central control.
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I think it is your view of capitalism that is a little too benign. Capitalism's history is one of violent dispossession across much of the global South. It depended largely on forcibly integrating colonised people into the capitalist labour system, usually causing widespread dislocation. Sure the global north has done incredibly well out of this arrangement, but it wasn't all that pleasant for those doing the work and still isn't. And actually the real accelerant in human 'progress' was fossil fuel. Our entire modern civilisation was built using cheap energy derived from it, and now it is driving us to extinction.

As to your other point. Capitalism is not the default. How could a system hellbent on destroying the thing keeping us alive be a default state? This notion that capitalism is immutable is just a myth we've bought into and most can't see past it now. Capitalism is an artificial construct just like all economic systems, and can be changed if we so choose. Trade has always been here, but we won't unless we decide which products are important to trade and which give no discernable benefit to humanity (bar giving value to shareholders).

Obviously we won't agree on any of this. So change of tack.
How do think climate change will affect you and when would think that might be?
 
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