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Frederic Kanoute
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Even SAF has singled us out as the most attractive side in the Premiership.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath
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Even SAF has singled us out as the most attractive side in the Premiership.
Be careful what you wish for.
Tottenham Dave
Erik Edman
No, I've openly said that I have lost my faith in him. His behaviour in pursuing the England job jeopardised our season and what he said in the press was all self fulfilling.
Saying that, now that we could be in the CL let's see where he takes us after a few top quality signings (fingers crossed!).
Saying that, now that we could be in the CL let's see where he takes us after a few top quality signings (fingers crossed!).
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
So nearly 30 years since a Spurs manager got Spurs to finish in the top 4 twice in 3 seasons? Quite an achievement I would say.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Not getting involved in this thread much, but will say that SAF praising us is like a doing getting it's head petted. You can be fudging damn sure SAF wouldn't say such nice thing about us if our mental chip inferiority complex was somehow booted and we suddenly realized that we are allowed to not only outplay, but beat, them. Watching him and Harry nearly have a cuddle during the game at the Lane earlier this season appalled me, sorry...I am no Mancini lover at all, but when he gave SAF the flapping mouth symbol,i was reminded of Jol giving Wenger some @ Scumbury...the opposition managers are not our friends!!!
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
This. Absolutely this. Sir Alex praising us just makes me a bit frustrated, because the more he does it, the more we'll keep bending over and taking it up the arse from one of his teams. To hell with his praise, I'd prefer it if he was full of bitter rage toward us.
Its quite funny, people keep writing complete rubbish about HR when he is in fact the sort of man they want at the club.
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He didnt do anything wrong regarding england, he is a nice bloke who respects other people and gives up a lot of time for others. But more importantly, he is proud to be Spurs manager. He grew up in London, he genuinely knows what it means to be Spurs manager and appreciates our history. People like Ramos come over here and dont give a brick. HR knows more about Spurs than most Spurs fans.
And some of the things he says that upsets (the weird) Spurs fans are the right thing to say. I respect him more for being honest.
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He didnt do anything wrong regarding england, he is a nice bloke who respects other people and gives up a lot of time for others. But more importantly, he is proud to be Spurs manager. He grew up in London, he genuinely knows what it means to be Spurs manager and appreciates our history. People like Ramos come over here and dont give a brick. HR knows more about Spurs than most Spurs fans.
And some of the things he says that upsets (the weird) Spurs fans are the right thing to say. I respect him more for being honest.
Its not shocking. This forum has loads of non attending Spurs fans who dont appreciate good footballers or good football.
Football manager is to blame. Taking the fun out of it and putting emphasis finer unimportant detail.
Finishing 4th-5th-4th is going nowhere? Oh dear.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
This is a serious question because I hate video games...what is Football Manager? How do you play it?
As for your comment about "loads of non-attending Spurs fans who don't appreciate good footballers or good football" there are equally loads who attend who appreciate good footballers and good football AND can also criticize managerial performance when it's justified. THIS is what gets me about the Harry debates; you're either pro or anti. It's NOT true! There is the very, very REAL truth that Harry has absolutely been found wanting sometimes, and if people cannot accept that, it does not make them any wiser or greater than people who claim it to be the case. In fact, IMHO, it makes them blind to the sorts of details which (if left unchecked) will forever keep us where we are and never see us perhaps become winners in the silver sense...
Football Manager is a stat based football simulation. All players are graded on various skills (pace, flair, stamina, strength, technique and loads more). You buy and sell in order to create a winning team. Since it's so easy to judge players and of course the simplicity of buying/selling, many now see themselves as more qualified than those that actually do this in real life.
Lost Mango
Pascal Chimbonda
And many use the Football Manager defence to write off anyone else's opinion that they happen to disagree with.
Leeds Spur
Banned
Lol @ golfball
southstand1882
Mitchell Thomas
Another opinion posted as fact.
I'm sorry, but the anti-harry phalanx are not doing themselves any favours by effectively bull bricking their arguments across
The VERY real truth
In which case, the VERY real truth is that Mancini, Mourinho, Guardiola, Ferguson and Wenger were also found wanting
That is just as factually correct as your statement. People make mistakes.
That's a VERY VERY real truth
The FM card - classic comeback when you have no clue to what to say next
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
We have good footballers. They play good football.
The right manager can make them good-er footballers, who play much good-er football.
Harry doesn't seem like the right manager to some people, a manager who can do this.
There, simplified to the level of detail you (and maybe Harry) seem to want in football.
Now can we accept that sometimes the finer details matter, please?
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Every manager has their faults. That includes Harry, Mancini, Wenger, SAF, everyone. But Harry suits us. He was the right man for us when he came, and in his full seasons with us has taken us to 4th, 5th and 4th again. I remember a few years ago that was the stuff of dreams. Now it's our reality.
So with that in mind, accepting that sometimes Harry will do things we may not like but generally acknowledging that he is a good manager who has performed well for us and met his targets, I think he should be backed. New contract, transfer money, public support. Let's eliminate any uncertainty that started with the England speculation and show the players that he is going to be our man. Harry has shown that with funds to buy his players and a lack of uncertainty around the club he will do well for us. Let's do that.
But if the club isn't willing to back him, he should go. None of this 'give him the final year and see how he does' rubbish. All it will do is create more uncertainty, and hinder our long term planning. If the club doesn't want to back him, he should be paid off, be released by 'mutual consent' and thanked for a job very well done. We should then get one of the bright young coaches that are forging their reputations in the game before other clubs take the gambles we should be taking while we are then left scrambling around appointing someone completely wrong for us in a years time because we didn't move fast enough. Harry has done well for us, but if the trust is gone between him and Levy, and there is now too much baggage that can't be gotten over, he should go.
But if Levy is willing to back him, and willing to let Harry build a dynasty here, then Harry should stay. There should be no half way house with this though. It's the future of our club and it's important to be on a clear, consistent path so we all know where we are heading.
So with that in mind, accepting that sometimes Harry will do things we may not like but generally acknowledging that he is a good manager who has performed well for us and met his targets, I think he should be backed. New contract, transfer money, public support. Let's eliminate any uncertainty that started with the England speculation and show the players that he is going to be our man. Harry has shown that with funds to buy his players and a lack of uncertainty around the club he will do well for us. Let's do that.
But if the club isn't willing to back him, he should go. None of this 'give him the final year and see how he does' rubbish. All it will do is create more uncertainty, and hinder our long term planning. If the club doesn't want to back him, he should be paid off, be released by 'mutual consent' and thanked for a job very well done. We should then get one of the bright young coaches that are forging their reputations in the game before other clubs take the gambles we should be taking while we are then left scrambling around appointing someone completely wrong for us in a years time because we didn't move fast enough. Harry has done well for us, but if the trust is gone between him and Levy, and there is now too much baggage that can't be gotten over, he should go.
But if Levy is willing to back him, and willing to let Harry build a dynasty here, then Harry should stay. There should be no half way house with this though. It's the future of our club and it's important to be on a clear, consistent path so we all know where we are heading.
Why exactly is it 'rubbish'?
Did he commit to us when England was very much a possibility - a.k.a. the 'people's choice :lol: ? So why should we do it now? Why should we be loyal to a man who not at one single point before Hodgson got the job came out and said - 'I'm Tottenham Hotspur's manager for another 1.5 years - not interested at the moment'. Much like Moyes, Hodgson, etc. all did.
I tell you why - because if the FA approached him - he would have dropped us like a smelly sock even if we finished 3rd. So now we should go and offer him a long-term 4m a year contract because his exit plan back-fired?
He has a contract for a season - we can review it afterwards based on performance, etc. without making uncertain financial commitments.
Based on last season's success he deserves another season and possibly another 2 after that if we keep improving. Based on last season he also deserves to be dealt with carefully as far as long-term contractual commitments are concerned.
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BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I don't think it's such a ridiculous thing to say to be honest, that a popular game that over simplifies football has led to people not in the game to believe it is a relativelty simply thing to understand when in actual fact there are far more considerations that go on than we know about.
I know I'm guilty of thinking 'Uggggh, why did Harry/Manager X not do that - it's so obvious!' on occasion.
yiddo2786
Steed Malbranque
The one thing that FM has done to tinkle me off more than anything else is the idea it has created that signing players is easy. Because actually signing players is fudging tedious the game simplifies it massively (make bid, bid accepted, offer terms, done), and every window this means Levy will be told off for dingdonging around and not just offering what the player/club/agent wants. Come on Daniel, stop wasting time to save those poxy millions, I don't want to wait til next week to find out who we're signing.