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parklane1 said:
Can not agree with that at all, firstly if we can win it we get into the CL, secondly as a fan who goes on these trips it would be a big miss, thirdly we need to be in Europe if we are ever to progress, and lastly its something we might just win and put a trophy into out empty trophy cabinet.
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Odd, isn't it that fans that were moaning about not winning anything are now wanting us to throw trophies.
The difference between poch and Jose is that Jose isn't nieve enough to progress without trophies will keep people happy.
Jose will not throw the chance of a trophy away.
 
glasgowspur said:
Odd, isn't it that fans that were moaning about not winning anything are now wanting us to throw trophies.
The difference between poch and Jose is that Jose isn't nieve enough to progress without trophies will keep people happy.
Jose will not throw the chance of a trophy away.
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I will never understand some fans in todays game who turn their noses up at actually going out and winning something. And before the usual suspects jump in and say its all about prioritising targets well we have done that in the last few years and what trophys do we have to show for doing just that.
 
parklane1 said:
Can not agree with that at all, firstly if we can win it we get into the CL, secondly as a fan who goes on these trips it would be a big miss, thirdly we need to be in Europe if we are ever to progress, and lastly its something we might just win and put a trophy into out empty trophy cabinet.
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So what happens when the team returns from the Arctic Circle or Outer Siberia? Players knackered, will to live sapped out of them and we drop three valuable points in a competition that actually does matter.

No thank you.
 
Finney Is Back said:
We would also have another £20 to £30 million odd dip in our finances if we miss the Europa as well as the CL.
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Note that both Chelsea and Leicester won the PL in Europe-free seasons

The Europa is the toughest of trophies to win because of the sheer number of games, the distances travelled, the drain on the squad and the predictable negative impact on PL results the following Sunday. True if you win it -a very very big IF - if you qualify for the CL the following season but I'd wager not being in the competition gives you a much better chance of achieving that.

If it's just tin-pot trophies your after then save your legs and put your effort into the domestic cup competitions, far far greater chance of winning one of them for much less effort but about the same financial reward I'd wager.
 
As long as the europa league carries a CL place it’s a value competition, if you are not in the CL you might as well not exist.
 
Spur of the moment said:
Note that both Chelsea and Leicester won the PL in Europe-free seasons

The Europa is the toughest of trophies to win because of the sheer number of games, the distances travelled, the drain on the squad and the predictable negative impact on PL results the following Sunday. True if you win it -a very very big IF - if you qualify for the CL the following season but I'd wager not being in the competition gives you a much better chance of achieving that.

If it's just tin-pot trophies your after then save your legs and put your effort into the domestic cup competitions, far far greater chance of winning one of them for much less effort but about the same financial reward I'd wager.
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Tin Pot trophies?

Take them out our history and we have won 2 leagues

We ain’t winning the league any time soon and we blew our chance at winning the CL - luck like that doesn’t come round that often.
 
Legohamster said:
Tin Pot trophies?

Take them out our history and we have won 2 leagues

We ain’t winning the league any time soon and we blew our chance at winning the CL - luck like that doesn’t come round that often.
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Not at all. All our FA Cups were won when it was regarded as either THE trophy to win or at least on a par with the League. Nowadays clubs don't bother fielding their strongest teams until the SF so that tells you how much they currently think its worth.

As for the The League Cup, it has always been regarded as something of a consolation prize. Aka as 'The Worthless Cup' it is nowadays the 'easiest' to win because it takes so few games to get to the final.

For me the only trophies that matter now are the PL title and the CL. Of course its good to win any sort of trophy and I appreciate how much others still value the domestic cups but for me the reality is they are relatively insignificant nowadays.

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Spur of the moment said:
Not at all. All our FA Cups were won when it was regarded as either THE trophy to win or at least on a par with the League. Nowadays clubs don't bother fielding their strongest teams until the SF so that tells you how much they currently think its worth.

As for the The League Cup, it has always been regarded as something of a consolation prize. Aka as 'The Worthless Cup' it is nowadays the 'easiest' to win because it takes so few games to get to the final.

For me the only trophies that matter now are the PL title and the CL. Of course its good to win any sort of trophy and I appreciate how much others still value the domestic cups but for me the reality is they are relatively insignificant nowadays.

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Regarding your last paragraph, I almost feel the same, F A cup and LC are only the gloss on a good season if you've already won the league.
I also think in changing managers we've went from someone who focused on the big prizes, even when the odds were against us, to someone who will focus on whatever one they think they can win, and to hell with consequences.
 
parklane1 said:
I will never understand some fans in todays game who turn their noses up at actually going out and winning something. And before the usual suspects jump in and say its all about prioritising targets well we have done that in the last few years and what trophys do we have to show for doing just that.
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The money from our champions league endeavours has massively contributed to Spurs owning one of the best grounds in the world.
Our trophy is huge!
 
parklane1 said:
I will never understand some fans in todays game who turn their noses up at actually going out and winning something. And before the usual suspects jump in and say its all about prioritising targets well we have done that in the last few years and what trophys do we have to show for doing just that.
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Winning managers understand that winning is a habit. It starts with games and then becomes trophies.
 
monkeybarry said:
Winning managers understand that winning is a habit. It starts with games and then becomes trophies.
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A vacuous statement when you think about it because only one club can win a cup competition, so the all the rest are by definition losers.

There will always be outriders but by and large it's big money that buys you the winning habit and big money that wins you trophies. So unless you throw lorry loads of dosh at it the odds are heavily stacked against you.
 
Spur of the moment said:
A vacuous statement when you think about it because only one club can win a cup competition, so the all the rest are by definition losers.

There will always be outriders but by and large it's big money that buys you the winning habit and big money that wins you trophies. So unless you throw lorry loads of dosh at it the odds are heavily stacked against you.
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You can't do it without money for sure.
But it's more than that - plenty of examples of club throwing money around but still winning jack all.
We have money.
Not oil money level or big history level, but still a good amount
 
monkeybarry said:
You can't do it without money for sure.
But it's more than that - plenty of examples of club throwing money around but still winning jack all.
We have money.
Not oil money level or big history level, but still a good amount
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We can win a cup, for sure, and hopefully we will, but for me it's not worth prioritising over qualifying for the CL.
 
we won the carling cup in 2008

did sweet FA before ramos got the heave ho and the messiah that was Arry came in when we was 2 points from 8 games...
 
monkeybarry said:
This season CL is a big ask
6th or 7th and FA Cup is better than 5th and fudge all.

It shows we can win. We have a reputation for being bottlers - and it's accurate. To change that you have to win things
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If Mourinho can break our FA Cup semi-final hoodoo then that’d prove beyond all doubt that he’s the special one!
 
Finney Is Back said:
£637 million of debt says that that Banks own it! ;)
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Snide dig.
We are all just passengers on the Good Ship Tottenham. It will sail on for centuries, long after we are all in the dirt and nobody remembers that time Leonhardsen flicked it on for Iversen to slot home.
 
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