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Georges-Kévin NKoudou

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enham-transfer-40-days-after-passing-medical?

'In one of the most protracted transfer sagas of any transfer window that saw head of recruitment Paul Mitchell tender his resignation, Nkoudou has signed a four-year deal at White Hart Lane for a fee of around £9.4m - a reduction of £1.6m from the original fee agreed with Marseille in mid-July. The Tottenham chairman, Daniel Levy, attempted to restructure the deal despite the 21-year-old having already completed his medical and negotiations initially broke down.'

Sooo, Guardian directly saying that Levy tried to penny-pinch. Who to believe, them or the snarky introduction video that references 'power shifts' at Marseille?

 
DubaiSpur said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enham-transfer-40-days-after-passing-medical?

'In one of the most protracted transfer sagas of any transfer window that saw head of recruitment Paul Mitchell tender his resignation, Nkoudou has signed a four-year deal at White Hart Lane for a fee of around £9.4m - a reduction of £1.6m from the original fee agreed with Marseille in mid-July. The Tottenham chairman, Daniel Levy, attempted to restructure the deal despite the 21-year-old having already completed his medical and negotiations initially broke down.'

Sooo, Guardian directly saying that Levy tried to penny-pinch. Who to believe, them or the snarky introduction video that references 'power shifts' at Marseille?
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Levy didn't try to penny pinch, he achieved the penny pinching.
A saving of £1.6m in 6 weeks is a quarter of a million quid per week. Peanuts in some ways, sizeable in other ways.
Don't bother spewing the usual about settled squad and points dropped, we all know it now.
 
DubaiSpur said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enham-transfer-40-days-after-passing-medical?

'In one of the most protracted transfer sagas of any transfer window that saw head of recruitment Paul Mitchell tender his resignation, Nkoudou has signed a four-year deal at White Hart Lane for a fee of around £9.4m - a reduction of £1.6m from the original fee agreed with Marseille in mid-July. The Tottenham chairman, Daniel Levy, attempted to restructure the deal despite the 21-year-old having already completed his medical and negotiations initially broke down.'

Sooo, Guardian directly saying that Levy tried to penny-pinch. Who to believe, them or the snarky introduction video that references 'power shifts' at Marseille?
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Can't it be both?

Also... Guardian claims that Levy saved the club £1.6m with his negotiating. How much would he have to save us in a single deal before even you would feel the description "tried to penny pinch" became outrageous? If Levy is saving us this kind of money on deals regularly that very quickly adds up to one Alli signing per year... But of course he's just penny pinching. No need for this sort of thing... :confused:
 
DubaiSpur said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...enham-transfer-40-days-after-passing-medical?

'In one of the most protracted transfer sagas of any transfer window that saw head of recruitment Paul Mitchell tender his resignation, Nkoudou has signed a four-year deal at White Hart Lane for a fee of around £9.4m - a reduction of £1.6m from the original fee agreed with Marseille in mid-July. The Tottenham chairman, Daniel Levy, attempted to restructure the deal despite the 21-year-old having already completed his medical and negotiations initially broke down.'

Sooo, Guardian directly saying that Levy tried to penny-pinch. Who to believe, them or the snarky introduction video that references 'power shifts' at Marseille?
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Believe the Guardian? Are you on glue?

The little video was rather amusing. Of course, I imagine if someone watches it and is exactly the type of whiner who is the gentle focus of the teasing, they'd be pretty annoyed at it. I imagine Harry Hotspur's blog could be pretty bilious about it.
 
A French journalist on TV just said the GKN signing is a good one but he's very young so we'll have to give him time, don't expect too much.

He also said Balotelli probably went to Nice because of the sun, beaches and Casino rather than for football reasons :D
 
Glancing at his Twitter, he seems quite an ebullient chap. Hopefully, he'll gel well with a young squad that is having a happy family feel engendered within it. He has said that he loves to listen in order that he may improve. Good words.
 
JerusalemMan said:
Glancing at his Twitter, he seems quite an ebullient chap. Hopefully, he'll gel well with a young squad that is having a happy family feel engendered within it. He has said that he loves to listen in order that he may improve. Good words.
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Ebullience is definitely what we have been lacking this seaon and at the end of last season!:D
 
Bullet said:
Levy didn't try to penny pinch, he achieved the penny pinching.
A saving of £1.6m in 6 weeks is a quarter of a million quid per week. Peanuts in some ways, sizeable in other ways.
Don't bother spewing the usual about settled squad and points dropped, we all know it now.
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If £1.6m is penny pinching, he can come round and save me a fiver any day!

Journo must be minted.
 
Bullet said:
Levy didn't try to penny pinch, he achieved the penny pinching.
A saving of £1.6m in 6 weeks is a quarter of a million quid per week. Peanuts in some ways, sizeable in other ways.
Don't bother spewing the usual about settled squad and points dropped, we all know it now.
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You know about the 'settled squad, points dropped' stuff but disregard it because saving 1.6m in fees in a market where PL clubs have spent 1,000,000,000+ pounds seems more important to you?

Understand - these things do not happen in a vacuum. 1.6m in fees saved over two months has a set of costs in terms of training, time spent pursuing other deals, possible points dropped etcetera. that, if translated monetarily, could (I'd even go as far as saying would, *probably*) outweigh the puny amount saved in fees amidst a PL spending and revenue craze that makes amounts like that outrageously petty to spend *two f*cking months* squabbling over.

braineclipse said:
Can't it be both?

Also... Guardian claims that Levy saved the club £1.6m with his negotiating. How much would he have to save us in a single deal before even you would feel the description "tried to penny pinch" became outrageous? If Levy is saving us this kind of money on deals regularly that very quickly adds up to one Alli signing per year... But of course he's just penny pinching. No need for this sort of thing... :confused:
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See above. The tradeoff has to be judged relatively, and in this case it's absolutely horrifying that six plus weeks were spent haggling over 1.6m in fees. Levy 'saving' miniscule amounts that you presume would be reinvested in signings like Alli comes at a cost that Poch bears, that the club bears, that the team bears, and that our chances of starting competitively, winning regularly and competing for trophies also bear.

The thing I'm most bemused about is that, previously, some posters were claiming that it wasn't a case of Levy being miserably tight as he nearly always is, it was a case of 'power shifts' in Marseille or something. 'Power shifts' which nonetheless didn't prevent clubs like Monaco and Chelsea (who presumably weren't intent on renegotiating agreed deals to eke out pennies) coming in and walking away with far more expensive signings like Batshuayi or Mendy. Why, I inquired, could some clubs complete deals while any excuse under the sun is used to explain why we take so long to do so in equivalent circumstances?

Now, the Guardian alleges that Levy spent two months doing his favorite thing, penny-pinching, on-field ambitions be utterly damned. And the arguments shift to 'well, there's nothing wrong with spending morbidly long periods squeezing relatively puny concessions out of previously-agreed upon deals and tinkling everyone else off in the process to boot'.

JerusalemMan said:
Believe the Guardian? Are you on glue?

The little video was rather amusing. Of course, I imagine if someone watches it and is exactly the type of whiner who is the gentle focus of the teasing, they'd be pretty annoyed at it. I imagine Harry Hotspur's blog could be pretty bilious about it.
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Like I said, fair play to them for recognizing how long it took, and the video's a bit amusing (although it's a copy of the stuff Arsenal's been putting out on their own Twitter about those blokes they signed yesterday). Doesn't preclude the possibility that the Guardian's allegations are right, and that, consequently, their unconvincing implicit reliance on the 'power shift' argument is just a bunch of horsesh*t.
 
DubaiSpur said:
See above. The tradeoff has to be judged relatively, and in this case it's absolutely horrifying that six plus weeks were spent haggling over 1.6m in fees. Levy 'saving' miniscule amounts that you presume would be reinvested in signings like Alli comes at a cost that Poch bears, that the club bears, that the team bears, and that our chances of starting competitively, winning regularly and competing for trophies also bear.

The thing I'm most bemused about is that, previously, some posters were claiming that it wasn't a case of Levy being miserably tight as he nearly always is, it was a case of 'power shifts' in Marseille or something. 'Power shifts' which nonetheless didn't prevent clubs like Monaco and Chelsea (who presumably weren't intent on renegotiating agreed deals to eke out pennies) coming in and walking away with far more expensive signings like Batshuayi or Mendy. Why, I inquired, could some clubs complete deals while any excuse under the sun is used to explain why we take so long to do so in equivalent circumstances?

Now, the Guardian alleges that Levy spent two months doing his favorite thing, penny-pinching, on-field ambitions be utterly damned. And the arguments shift to 'well, there's nothing wrong with spending morbidly long periods squeezing relatively puny concessions out of previously-agreed upon deals and tinkleing everyone else off in the process to boot'.
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So it can't be both? It can't be both the power shift at Marseille and negotiations? You obviously jump to the conclusion that the full 6 weeks was because of Levy penny pinching... Of course you do...

And of course us getting Janssen and Wanyama in early, whereas the young french lad that's probably going to take some time to settle in anyway, has taken some time doesn't pause your Levy rants at all.

Must be nice when everything fits into your preconceived narrative. Of course that's a great sign of being right ;)
 
I told you to save all that stuff, not spew it. We all know it. Like I said, we all know it. We. Know. It.
 
From Twitter, no mention of wages or whatever, just passing it on...

Sane £37m
Xhaka £34m
Kante £30m
Mkhitaryan £26m
Bolasie £25m
Wijnaldum £25m
Gundogan £20m
 
braineclipse said:
So it can't be both? It can't be both the power shift at Marseille and negotiations? You obviously jump to the conclusion that the full 6 weeks was because of Levy penny pinching... Of course you do...

And of course us getting Janssen and Wanyama in early, whereas the young french lad that's probably going to take some time to settle in anyway, has taken some time doesn't pause your Levy rants at all.

Must be nice when everything fits into your preconceived narrative. Of course that's a great sign of being right ;)
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So, again, the direct question that the 'power shift' assertion generates is this - why didn't Chelsea or Monaco leave Batshuayi and Mendy down to deadline day like we did, if this 'power shift' was in evidence at Marseille as a significant disruptor of planned moves? And, if there is a mix between the two, why is this sort of penny-pinching even the case on a 11m transfer that is downright cheap compared to the window's typical deals so far?

I was also considerably discontented by Janssen arriving after pre-season had started despite being identified back in May, and I held Wanyama to be a good deal, as I held some of the moves last season to be surprisingly good, quick deals conducted without a fuss or a long-drawn out penny-pinching process. However, that's more the exception than the rule, and I keep asserting that as evidence accumulates to that end. It's struck again with N'Koudou, as it has struck time after time over the past few years, mostly to our detriment.

If you must assign stances to me that I don't hold, I'd rather they weren't such blatantly misrepresentative ones.

Bullet said:
I told you to save all that stuff, not spew it. We all know it. Like I said, we all know it. We. Know. It.
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You claim to know it, but you evidently dismiss it in favour of saving 'peanuts'. Good to know.
 
DubaiSpur said:
You know about the 'settled squad, points dropped' stuff but disregard it because saving 1.6m in fees in a market where PL clubs have spent 1,000,000,000+ pounds seems more important to you?

Understand - these things do not happen in a vacuum. 1.6m in fees saved over two months has a set of costs in terms of training, time spent pursuing other deals, possible points dropped etcetera. that, if translated monetarily, could (I'd even go as far as saying would, *probably*) outweigh the puny amount saved in fees amidst a PL spending and revenue craze that makes amounts like that outrageously petty to spend *two f*cking months* squabbling over.



See above. The tradeoff has to be judged relatively, and in this case it's absolutely horrifying that six plus weeks were spent haggling over 1.6m in fees. Levy 'saving' miniscule amounts that you presume would be reinvested in signings like Alli comes at a cost that Poch bears, that the club bears, that the team bears, and that our chances of starting competitively, winning regularly and competing for trophies also bear.

The thing I'm most bemused about is that, previously, some posters were claiming that it wasn't a case of Levy being miserably tight as he nearly always is, it was a case of 'power shifts' in Marseille or something. 'Power shifts' which nonetheless didn't prevent clubs like Monaco and Chelsea (who presumably weren't intent on renegotiating agreed deals to eke out pennies) coming in and walking away with far more expensive signings like Batshuayi or Mendy. Why, I inquired, could some clubs complete deals while any excuse under the sun is used to explain why we take so long to do so in equivalent circumstances?

Now, the Guardian alleges that Levy spent two months doing his favorite thing, penny-pinching, on-field ambitions be utterly damned. And the arguments shift to 'well, there's nothing wrong with spending morbidly long periods squeezing relatively puny concessions out of previously-agreed upon deals and tinkleing everyone else off in the process to boot'.



Like I said, fair play to them for recognizing how long it took, and the video's a bit amusing (although it's a copy of the stuff Arsenal's been putting out on their own Twitter about those blokes they signed yesterday). Doesn't preclude the possibility that the Guardian's allegations are right, and that, consequently, their unconvincing implicit reliance on the 'power shift' argument is just a bunch of horsesh*t.
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Reports out of France were that Marseilles, under new ownership, were trying to restructure the deal. So let's assume for a moment that is true, as why not, we don't really know. So assuming payment terms were part of the original negotiation where the fee was agreed, if Marseilles then tried to restructure the payment terms (presumably in their favour) then why should Levy not then bring the original fee back to the table? You can't just change one part of a deal without expecting that to have an impact on the whole deal.

As for Batshuayi - I think Marseilles at that time was still under the old ownership and they had a deadline of end of July to balance the books in order to meet French domestic league fiscal requirements. We did not want to pay what they were asking + the Batshuayi's wage demands. So, different reason (whatever one might think of that reason) for the delay in signing N'Koudou vs not sighing Batshuayi.
 
DubaiSpur said:
So, again, the direct question that the 'power shift' assertion generates is this - why didn't Chelsea or Monaco leave Batshuayi and Mendy down to deadline day like we did, if this 'power shift' was in evidence at Marseille as a significant disruptor of planned moves? And, if there is a mix between the two, why is this sort of penny-pinching even the case on a 11m transfer that is downright cheap compared to the window's typical deals so far?

I was also considerably discontented by Janssen arriving after pre-season had started despite being identified back in May, and I held Wanyama to be a good deal, as I held some of the moves last season to be surprisingly good, quick deals conducted without a fuss or a long-drawn out penny-pinching process. However, that's more the exception than the rule, and I keep asserting that as evidence accumulates to that end. It's struck again with N'Koudou, as it has struck time after time over the past few years, mostly to our detriment.

If you must assign stances to me that I don't hold, I'd rather they weren't such blatantly misrepresentative ones.
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So it can be both?
 
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