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Gareth Bale
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Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
AVB could still get us Champions League football. AVB out?
Seriously expectations could not be more ridiculous.
AVB could still get us Champions League football. AVB out?
Seriously expectations could not be more ridiculous.
Re: Gareth Bale
What happened last season? But results aren't telling the true story are they? Bale will be getting us CL if anyone.
It's not really even controversial to say we've played badly in the majority of games this season. You only need to read the match day threads to see proof of that. So I'm not talking in terms of results, as we know they've been good. But in the same way we look to which players are contributing more than others and which should be replaced etc, despite potentially finishing in the top 4, why can't we do the same with the coach?
Anyone claiming we've played well this season is deluded. Gareth Bale has saved us time and time again. Continually relying on one player to save the team isn't a sign of a good coach. People will ague all teams have one player who scores most of their goals, but no other team in the Prem has a player the need to continually score spectacular goals in order to win or draw games. It's not like RVP finishing off great team moves here. It's Bale digging us out of holes at the end of poor performances. There is nothing controversial about what I've just said either. It's the truth, plain and simple.
What happened last season? But results aren't telling the true story are they? Bale will be getting us CL if anyone.
It's not really even controversial to say we've played badly in the majority of games this season. You only need to read the match day threads to see proof of that. So I'm not talking in terms of results, as we know they've been good. But in the same way we look to which players are contributing more than others and which should be replaced etc, despite potentially finishing in the top 4, why can't we do the same with the coach?
Anyone claiming we've played well this season is deluded. Gareth Bale has saved us time and time again. Continually relying on one player to save the team isn't a sign of a good coach. People will ague all teams have one player who scores most of their goals, but no other team in the Prem has a player the need to continually score spectacular goals in order to win or draw games. It's not like RVP finishing off great team moves here. It's Bale digging us out of holes at the end of poor performances. There is nothing controversial about what I've just said either. It's the truth, plain and simple.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
Match day threads are negative no matter what is happening.
There is nothing controversial. I just think people are focusing far too much on attractive football compared to effective football. We have Bale, we have been making use of Bale. How dare AVB make use of his best asset! He should know better.
Match day threads are negative no matter what is happening.
There is nothing controversial. I just think people are focusing far too much on attractive football compared to effective football. We have Bale, we have been making use of Bale. How dare AVB make use of his best asset! He should know better.
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Barry Daines
Re: Gareth Bale
And in the summer we sold our 2 best passers, in Modric and VdV, whilst Levy failed to secure the signature of Moutinho or anyone else of that ability, can hardly blame AVB for that.
And in the summer we sold our 2 best passers, in Modric and VdV, whilst Levy failed to secure the signature of Moutinho or anyone else of that ability, can hardly blame AVB for that.
Re: Gareth Bale
Regardless of that, look at the performances.
All I'm saying is judge the quality of coaching on what we've seen on not what people want it to be. There is so much positive stuff posted about AVB, but so little is based on what we actually see.
There isn't much point debating my point, is it's not really debatable. People can come up with reason or excuses as to why we've played badly, but not that we haven't played badly. Thus I think the coach has to be questioned for that. I don't think anyone can claim that's unreasonable, despite his popularity.
Regardless of that, look at the performances.
All I'm saying is judge the quality of coaching on what we've seen on not what people want it to be. There is so much positive stuff posted about AVB, but so little is based on what we actually see.
There isn't much point debating my point, is it's not really debatable. People can come up with reason or excuses as to why we've played badly, but not that we haven't played badly. Thus I think the coach has to be questioned for that. I don't think anyone can claim that's unreasonable, despite his popularity.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Re: Gareth Bale
Right then, nice to see you're open to conversation...yeah...let's sack him...I hear Martin O'Neil's out of a job...a question for you.
What would you consider 'playing well' with the current squad? What would you be doing?
Right then, nice to see you're open to conversation...yeah...let's sack him...I hear Martin O'Neil's out of a job...a question for you.
What would you consider 'playing well' with the current squad? What would you be doing?
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Re: Gareth Bale
So I want this on record...you want Andre Villas Boas replaced? Am I correct?
So I want this on record...you want Andre Villas Boas replaced? Am I correct?
Re: Gareth Bale
I think performances need to be put into the context of the squad we have. If AVB were struggling to get Swansea playing a passing game, then yes his methods have to be questioned. Not because Swansea have better players than us, but because their DOF has systematically stacked their team with passers over the years. Meanwhile, not a single midfielder at Spurs has routinely gotten above 40 passes per game over a season in their career except for Parker, who we all agree has other issues with his passing. Adebayor, BAE, and Vertonghen may be considered passing types, but their form has been inconsistent and in any case it's midfield that's the heartbeat of every team.
Buy players who can actually pass first-time and who have the hunger for the ball VdV did (70 passes/game). Buy playmakers with some freaking vision. Buy players who accelerate after passing rather than amble forward in a straight line like a sleep-deprived amoeba. Yes we should be doing better than atrocious nevertheless, but I cannot help but feel that AvB has been left shortchanged by an unbalanced, mentally challenged squad filled with players who don't actually desire the ball.
I think performances need to be put into the context of the squad we have. If AVB were struggling to get Swansea playing a passing game, then yes his methods have to be questioned. Not because Swansea have better players than us, but because their DOF has systematically stacked their team with passers over the years. Meanwhile, not a single midfielder at Spurs has routinely gotten above 40 passes per game over a season in their career except for Parker, who we all agree has other issues with his passing. Adebayor, BAE, and Vertonghen may be considered passing types, but their form has been inconsistent and in any case it's midfield that's the heartbeat of every team.
Buy players who can actually pass first-time and who have the hunger for the ball VdV did (70 passes/game). Buy playmakers with some freaking vision. Buy players who accelerate after passing rather than amble forward in a straight line like a sleep-deprived amoeba. Yes we should be doing better than atrocious nevertheless, but I cannot help but feel that AvB has been left shortchanged by an unbalanced, mentally challenged squad filled with players who don't actually desire the ball.
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Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
Against Chelsea he needs to play on the right. There'll be no space in the middle.
Against Chelsea he needs to play on the right. There'll be no space in the middle.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Gareth Bale
He was actually non existent today but as with great players who have poor games - he still produced and what a strike.
He has masked a number of our poor performances this season, which is great that he is producing and really beautiful goals, but we need to rethink our reliance on him next season - we are very reliant on him at the moment.
He was actually non existent today but as with great players who have poor games - he still produced and what a strike.
He has masked a number of our poor performances this season, which is great that he is producing and really beautiful goals, but we need to rethink our reliance on him next season - we are very reliant on him at the moment.
Re: Gareth Bale
No, I'd want it reviewed at the end of the season. I can't see why you'd have any objection to this. I remember you wrote a list of things you thought were done badly last season and were happy for the manager to be replace then. So this season I see no reason to think any differently. I know he hasn't come close to satisfying most of the issues you had with the last regime, so of course I'd expect you to be one of the people to be at the fore when it comes to questioning AVB.
Let's be honest, one of your key arguments to remove the last manager was that he relied of the quality of the individuals and that the team as a whole didn't play well. You can't deny that. So therefore, you have to ask questions about what has happened regarding our overall performances this season. More than ever we have become reliant on the quality of an individual.
There is nothing wrong with anything I've said. It's easy for anyone of us to go through the match day threads on any Spurs forum and see what people were saying about he we played. Today isn't rare. You can't deny that. So, any reasonable fan must wonder why this is. Questions need to be asked. I find it odd that you can take exception to my point given the reasons you put forward for wanting a change of regime. The same is now happening only to a greater extent.
No, I'd want it reviewed at the end of the season. I can't see why you'd have any objection to this. I remember you wrote a list of things you thought were done badly last season and were happy for the manager to be replace then. So this season I see no reason to think any differently. I know he hasn't come close to satisfying most of the issues you had with the last regime, so of course I'd expect you to be one of the people to be at the fore when it comes to questioning AVB.
Let's be honest, one of your key arguments to remove the last manager was that he relied of the quality of the individuals and that the team as a whole didn't play well. You can't deny that. So therefore, you have to ask questions about what has happened regarding our overall performances this season. More than ever we have become reliant on the quality of an individual.
There is nothing wrong with anything I've said. It's easy for anyone of us to go through the match day threads on any Spurs forum and see what people were saying about he we played. Today isn't rare. You can't deny that. So, any reasonable fan must wonder why this is. Questions need to be asked. I find it odd that you can take exception to my point given the reasons you put forward for wanting a change of regime. The same is now happening only to a greater extent.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Gareth Bale
After he'd had three or so years to build that team.
If we finish in the top four we would be bat brick crazy to sack AVB. It's a results based business, this season he has gotten the results.
Once again, go through the match day threads about the games we win, they will seem just as negative during the match.
After he'd had three or so years to build that team.
If we finish in the top four we would be bat brick crazy to sack AVB. It's a results based business, this season he has gotten the results.
Once again, go through the match day threads about the games we win, they will seem just as negative during the match.
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Jamie Redknapp
Re: Gareth Bale
I think the pressure has got to the team, everyone was playing it very safe because they knew one mistake the crowd is on their back and it could cost us a champs league place.
I dont think AVB can do too much about the pressure
I think the pressure has got to the team, everyone was playing it very safe because they knew one mistake the crowd is on their back and it could cost us a champs league place.
I dont think AVB can do too much about the pressure
Re: Gareth Bale
That's the point I'm making. You are only reinforcing it. We know results have been good. But what I'm saying is that we've generally played poorly, often to be rescued by the brilliance of Bale. We beat Swansea 2-1 recently, but no one would say that was anything but a very average performance and we were lucky to hold on. The match day threads on every Spurs board will reflect this, as people are posting what they are seeing. Today we won, but no one is under any illusions it was anything but a poor performance.
Also no regime is simply given time to build a team. It wasn't like Levy said to Harry here is 3 years. Harry earned it. You have to earn the right to stay in your job, by proving you are an asset. What I'm saying is that we need to question AVBs contribution. Often last season it was said we finished top 4 in spite of Redknapp, so I don't see why this can't be true again.
There shouldn't be any resistance to the suggestion we question the impact AVB is having. Yet there is and it was predictable. It would be terrifying to think where we'd be this season without Bale. I can't see why that isn't a cause for people to take a closer look at the coach.
That's the point I'm making. You are only reinforcing it. We know results have been good. But what I'm saying is that we've generally played poorly, often to be rescued by the brilliance of Bale. We beat Swansea 2-1 recently, but no one would say that was anything but a very average performance and we were lucky to hold on. The match day threads on every Spurs board will reflect this, as people are posting what they are seeing. Today we won, but no one is under any illusions it was anything but a poor performance.
Also no regime is simply given time to build a team. It wasn't like Levy said to Harry here is 3 years. Harry earned it. You have to earn the right to stay in your job, by proving you are an asset. What I'm saying is that we need to question AVBs contribution. Often last season it was said we finished top 4 in spite of Redknapp, so I don't see why this can't be true again.
There shouldn't be any resistance to the suggestion we question the impact AVB is having. Yet there is and it was predictable. It would be terrifying to think where we'd be this season without Bale. I can't see why that isn't a cause for people to take a closer look at the coach.
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John Scales
Re: Gareth Bale
Because changing managers, systems and players again is guaranteed to produce better performances, right?
Who would you replace AVB with then?
Because changing managers, systems and players again is guaranteed to produce better performances, right?
Who would you replace AVB with then?
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indianspur
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Re: Gareth Bale
thats an extra 10 mill on the price tag if Zizou or Fegie come knocking....about 80 mill now and counting
thats an extra 10 mill on the price tag if Zizou or Fegie come knocking....about 80 mill now and counting