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Fourth - who are we going to beat to it?

Liverpool have done brilliantly at beating bottom half teams at Anfield. They now have to go and beat them away from home, consistently. These teams will be fighting hard in the 2nd half of the season with relegation looming. IMO, this is where they will trip up. And it's why we can finish above them.
 
Old Trafford is hardly the fortress is once was though and ManU have only picked up just 5pts from 21 against the rest of the Top 7 this season, so Liverpool stand a decent chance of ending their losing run there. Other than that they've played all their away fixtures against the rest of the Top 7 for this season, so we'll soon see whether Anfield is in fact a fortress or just a whipping ground for cannon fodder :-k

4th-7th H2HSpursEvertonLiverpoolMan_Utd
Record(W:1 / D:2 / L:1)(W:1 / D:2 / L:0)(W:2 / D:1 / L:0)(W:0 / D:1 / L:3)
Spurs (a)n/a ?-?5-0 2-2
Spurs (h)n/a0-0?-?1-2
Everton (a)0-0n/a3-3?-?
Everton (h)?-?n/a?-?0-1
Liverpool (a)?-??-?n/a0-1
Liverpool (h)0-53-3n/a?-?
ManU (a)2-1 1-0 ?-? n/a
ManU (h)2-2?-?1-0n/a

Results v Top 3SpursEvertonLiverpoolMan_Utd
Record(W:0 / D:1 / L:2)(W:1 / D:1 / L:1)(W:0 / D:0 / L:3)(W:1 / D:1 / L:1)
ARSEnal (a)0-1 1-10-2 ?-?
ARSEnal (h)?-??-??-?1-0
Chelse (a)?-??-?1-2?-?
Chelsea (h)1-11-0?-?0-0
ManC (a)0-61-31-21-4
ManC (h)?-??-??-??-?
 
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the dza said:
Liverpool have done brilliantly at beating bottom half teams at Anfield. They now have to go and beat them away from home, consistently. These teams will be fighting hard in the 2nd half of the season with relegation looming. IMO, this is where they will trip up. And it's why we can finish above them.
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....yep and add to this the fact it means almost all their home games are against top 4 rivals then they have got a hard second half of the season. City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Saudi Sportswashing Machine all have to visit them which means they haven't really got many home bankers left to build momentum on. Add in the fact they are so reliant on Suarez and their challenge looks as fragile as Wilsheres ankles. Here's hoping all three crumble well before March!
 
Last two times we have finished 4th were the last two times Man Utd failed to win the league.
 
Hopefully it's not gonna be another case of us coming 4th, Man U finishing 7th but somehow winning the champions league
 
josferatu said:
Hopefully it's not gonna be another case of us coming 4th, Man U finishing 7th but somehow winning the champions league
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strange...I wondered this earlier on after hearing utd fans calling in and moaning....

It would be just our luck wouldnt it. I dont think my heart could take that circumstance again.
 
Well at least we won't have to play any of the other CL contenders during the final 2 months of the season...

@HotspurRelated: Huge fixtures in the second half of the season await. #THFC
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Liverpools are all at home though, where they are mightily strong.

Emirates Marketing Project have the hardest in my view.
 
Mumorn said:
Liverpools are all at home though, where they are mightily strong.

Emirates Marketing Project have the hardest in my view.
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Liverpool's home form is good because they've only played **** teams so far. They'll find points a lot harder to come by away to the same teams and playing the big ones at home. They'll pick up less points in the second half of the season compared to the first half.
 
Jordinho said:
Liverpool's home form is good because they've only played **** teams so far. They'll find points a lot harder to come by away to the same teams and playing the big ones at home. They'll pick up less points in the second half of the season compared to the first half.
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That's why I laugh. Everyone is raving about their amazing run they've had, while using the world's in form striker, yet they ended the half season in 5th and only 2 points ahead of us. They dropped points at every tough away game they had (except us, obviously) and built up the hype from a ludicrously easy run of home games against bottom half teams.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
That's why I laugh. Everyone is raving about their amazing run they've had, while using the world's in form striker, yet they ended the half season in 5th and only 2 points ahead of us. They dropped points at every tough away game they had (except us, obviously) and built up the hype from a ludicrously easy run of home games against bottom half teams.
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But they have had a great run. They had Suarez out for the first 6 games, they have a squad that is no where near as good as the teams in the top 6 arguably. Yet they are playing some of the best football in the league, with one of the best players in the world. Who cares that they are just 2 points ahead of us, they are still ahead of us and those 2 points could matter come the end of the season.
 
Mumorn said:
But they have had a great run. They had Suarez out for the first 6 games, they have a squad that is no where near as good as the teams in the top 6 arguably. Yet they are playing some of the best football in the league, with one of the best players in the world. Who cares that they are just 2 points ahead of us, they are still ahead of us and those 2 points could matter come the end of the season.
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Because those 2 points and that great run was achieved facing mainly bottom half teams at home and dropping almost all the points they could have done away from home in any conceptually difficult game. If it was a really great run, they would have done more than simply taking advantage of a Spurs team with AVB on his last legs.

If they finish ahead of us, no doubt they will have deserved it, but right now they very much remind me of us in 11/12. If we look at it like being at home gives you some advantage - let's give it a numerical value of likelihood of a win = + 5. Let's say playing bottom half teams at home also gives you an advantage - let's say + 10. So if you're playing at home, against a bottom half team, you're on a + 15 likelihood of winning the match.

So far this season they've had the benefit of playing most matches they were more likely to win in the first half of the season, and were still only 5th at the half way stage. Now they are going to be playing fellow top 4 contenders at home, so there won't be any more + 15 matches. More like + 6 or +7 because their opponents in those games will also have a pretty strong chance of taking something considering their strength. They'll also then be facing teams away who will be getting their acts together - perhaps they have sacked under performing managers and are now well drilled into a plan to stay in this league. I think they'll drop more points there.

They've had a first half of the season playing most matches they were extremely likely to win, and pretty much dropped all the points they were expected to in games they were likely to do so. If they do end up finishing 4th, they will deserve lots of praise and Rodgers will have done a damn fine job. I'd be pretty surprised if they do so though considering how their fixtures have been laid out.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Because those 2 points and that great run was achieved facing mainly bottom half teams at home and dropping almost all the points they could have done away from home in any conceptually difficult game. If it was a really great run, they would have done more than simply taking advantage of a Spurs team with AVB on his last legs.

If they finish ahead of us, no doubt they will have deserved it, but right now they very much remind me of us in 11/12. If we look at it like being at home gives you some advantage - let's give it a numerical value of likelihood of a win = + 5. Let's say playing bottom half teams at home also gives you an advantage - let's say + 10. So if you're playing at home, against a bottom half team, you're on a + 15 likelihood of winning the match.

So far this season they've had the benefit of playing most matches they were more likely to win in the first half of the season, and were still only 5th at the half way stage. Now they are going to be playing fellow top 4 contenders at home, so there won't be any more + 15 matches. More like + 6 or +7 because their opponents in those games will also have a pretty strong chance of taking something considering their strength. They'll also then be facing teams away who will be getting their acts together - perhaps they have sacked under performing managers and are now well drilled into a plan to stay in this league. I think they'll drop more points there.

They've had a first half of the season playing most matches they were extremely likely to win, and pretty much dropped all the points they were expected to in games they were likely to do so. If they do end up finishing 4th, they will deserve lots of praise and Rodgers will have done a damn fine job. I'd be pretty surprised if they do so though considering how their fixtures have been laid out.
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They have had the exact same amount of games played as us against the exact same teams. They have been better than us in terms of results and style of play. But why would they? We are a team that had a record points total last year, spent £100,000,000 on talent, yet Liverpool find themselves 2 points better off than us. I don't see this as Liverpool being **** or not on a good run just because we are 2 points behind them, if we were 2 points ahead then fair enough, but we are still BEHIND them. Like I said, if we were 2 points behind them on 38 games, why would it matter, they would have finished above us.
 
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