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Football and money
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Legohamster
Ian Walker
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ball/2018/08/15/5b7411a7268e3e535c8b459f.html
Surprised by this, but shouldn’t be!
Surprised by this, but shouldn’t be!
Bullet
Colin Calderwood
How odd, Atleti's squad value jumped from 430 to 740 in 1 year?!
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Is this the supposed 'super league' teams?
Would be great if they all could fudge off and play their games in Asia and the US and make proper football more interesting again.
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
‘Initial guests’ lol. I’d hope those 5 told the others to fudge off and resumed to play in this national leagues free from their financially doped rivals.
Would be great if they all could fudge off and play their games in Asia and the US and make proper football more interesting again.
Ideally they’d make the games at odd times to cater for asian or US audiences and ensure that no actual away fans attend, just neutral corporates who have no allegiance to either club but enjoy the ‘product’. Then when it collapse the member clubs have to start again in the bottom tier of their domestic leagues under the control of a ffp Scheme agreed by the remaining member clubsz
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
I never knew it was a European record! I remember when United got to 10 under big Ron I think!
Congrats to PSG, first team to buy 12 consecutive league games at the beginning of the season.
Rorschach
Ricky Villa
Sounds like a plan. Let them all fudge off and play with each other.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Top European clubs have held secret talks to create a European Super League, according to a report by German publication Der Spiegel.
The newspaper claims leaked documents show the breakaway league could be created in 2021 and see clubs involved leave their national leagues and football associations.
Der Spiegel also alleges separate documents show Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St-Germain avoided financial fair play sanctions with the intervention of Fifa president Gianni Infantino.
Premier League champions City said they would not comment "on out of context materials purportedly hacked or stolen".
Der Spiegel says its source is a whistleblower they call John, who claims that neither he nor his associates are hackers.
"We have very good sources and a strong network that provides us with a lot of information," he told Der Spiegel.
What about the European Super League?
Der Spiegel claims Real Madrid has joined forces with AC Milan, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Juventus and Manchester United to form a group of seven sides who went behind the back of Uefa, European football's governing body, to discuss forming a European Super League.
As part of their plans, the clubs allegedly discussed "an option for leaving the national leagues and their football associations behind entirely".
Bayern Munich are supposed to have explored the legal complexities of the breakaway and one of the documents Der Spiegel says it has seen is a "binding term sheet" which 16 clubs would sign to form the Super League.
The new competition, it is claimed, would involve 11 of Europe's biggest clubs, known as the "founders", along with five "initial guests".
The so-called founders, who would include the seven clubs named above along with Chelsea, Liverpool, Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St-Germain, would not face relegation and would be guaranteed membership for 20 years.
Der Spiegel reports that the five "initial guests," according to the document, would be Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Inter Milan, Marseille and Roma.
A Bayern Munich statement said they were "unaware of recent plans for a so-called Super League" and had not "taken part in negotiations relating to such plans".
The club's chairman added: "FC Bayern Munich stands by its membership of the Bundesliga and, as long as I am chairman of the board of FC Bayern, also by the club competitions organised jointly by Uefa and the ECA (European Club Association)."
United declined to comment, while Arsenal, AC Milan, Juventus and Real Madrid have been contacted for their response by BBC Sport.
What are the FFP claims involving Infantino?
Emirates Marketing Project are owned by Sheikh Mansour Bin Zayed Al Nahyan's Abu Dhabi United Group, while PSG are owned by Qatar Sports Investment.
According to Der Spiegel's report, they overvalued sponsorship deals to help meet FFP rules and, when facing sanctions over the matter, the allegations in the documents state Infantino helped arrange more lenient punishments for them in 2014.
At the time, Fifa president Infantino was in his previous role as Uefa general secretary and City and PSG were both fined £49m, £32m of which was suspended.
Following the latest claims, City's statement added: "The attempt to damage the club's reputation is organized and clear."
A PSG statement said it "has always acted in full compliance with the laws and regulations enacted by sports institutions" and it "denies the allegations".
The club added: "Since the introduction of Financial Fair Play, Paris St-Germain have been one of the most audited and scrutinised clubs in history."
Uefa's response detailed the aims of FFP and added that the system "is a comparatively recent system of regulation" and with "the early cases" took "Uefa and the clubs into unchartered territory".
It said: "Uefa is confident that any apparent inconsistencies that may seem evident to some, have been eliminated as the system has developed and become more familiar to all sides."
Infantino became president of Fifa, world football's governing body, in 2016.
"All decisions on Uefa Financial Fair Play cases are made by the Uefa Club Financial Control Body (CFCB)," said a Fifa statement. "It is an independent body.
"The Uefa administration, which of course includes the general secretary, can assist the CFCB depending on the specific case.
"This may include discussions, meetings, assistance to help find solutions, and other interactions to assist the CFCB in its work. Nonetheless, the CFCB is entirely responsible for their own decisions."
In an interview last week, Infantino spoke in general terms when he said: "My job entails having discussions, having conversations, exchanging documents, drafts, ideas, whatever, on many, many, many, many, topics.
"Otherwise you don't go anywhere. I mean, if I just have to stay in my room and not speak to anyone and cannot do anything, how can I do my job properly?
"So if then this is being portrayed as something bad, I think there's not much I can do more than my job in an honest way, in a professional way and trying to defend the interests of football."
Where did the leaked documents come from?
Der Spiegel says the source of the documents they have obtained is a whistleblower called John, which is not his real name, who founded Football Leaks.
Up to 70 million documents have been provided by Football Leaks and more than 3.4 terabytes of information.
Der Spiegel has shared the information with other media outlets in the European Investigative Collaborations (EIC) consortium, which includes Reuters news agency, the Sunday Times and Spain's El Mundo.
Together, about 80 journalists from 15 media outlets looked at the information provided.
The newspaper claims leaked documents show the breakaway league could be created in 2021 and see clubs involved leave their national leagues and football associations.
Der Spiegel also alleges separate documents show Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St-Germain avoided financial fair play sanctions with the intervention of Fifa president Gianni Infantino.
Premier League champions City said they would not comment "on out of context materials purportedly hacked or stolen".
Der Spiegel says its source is a whistleblower they call John, who claims that neither he nor his associates are hackers.
"We have very good sources and a strong network that provides us with a lot of information," he told Der Spiegel.
What about the European Super League?
Der Spiegel claims Real Madrid has joined forces with AC Milan, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Juventus and Manchester United to form a group of seven sides who went behind the back of Uefa, European football's governing body, to discuss forming a European Super League.
As part of their plans, the clubs allegedly discussed "an option for leaving the national leagues and their football associations behind entirely".
Bayern Munich are supposed to have explored the legal complexities of the breakaway and one of the documents Der Spiegel says it has seen is a "binding term sheet" which 16 clubs would sign to form the Super League.
The new competition, it is claimed, would involve 11 of Europe's biggest clubs, known as the "founders", along with five "initial guests".
The so-called founders, who would include the seven clubs named above along with Chelsea, Liverpool, Emirates Marketing Project and Paris St-Germain, would not face relegation and would be guaranteed membership for 20 years.
Der Spiegel reports that the five "initial guests," according to the document, would be Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Inter Milan, Marseille and Roma.
A Bayern Munich statement said they were "unaware of recent plans for a so-called Super League" and had not "taken part in negotiations relating to such plans".
The club's chairman added: "FC Bayern Munich stands by its membership of the Bundesliga and, as long as I am chairman of the board of FC Bayern, also by the club competitions organised jointly by Uefa and the ECA (European Club Association)."
United declined to comment, while Arsenal, AC Milan, Juventus and Real Madrid have been contacted for their response by BBC Sport.
What are the FFP claims involving Infantino?
Emirates Marketing Project are owned by Sheikh Mansour Bin Zayed Al Nahyan's Abu Dhabi United Group, while PSG are owned by Qatar Sports Investment.
According to Der Spiegel's report, they overvalued sponsorship deals to help meet FFP rules and, when facing sanctions over the matter, the allegations in the documents state Infantino helped arrange more lenient punishments for them in 2014.
At the time, Fifa president Infantino was in his previous role as Uefa general secretary and City and PSG were both fined £49m, £32m of which was suspended.
Following the latest claims, City's statement added: "The attempt to damage the club's reputation is organized and clear."
A PSG statement said it "has always acted in full compliance with the laws and regulations enacted by sports institutions" and it "denies the allegations".
The club added: "Since the introduction of Financial Fair Play, Paris St-Germain have been one of the most audited and scrutinised clubs in history."
Uefa's response detailed the aims of FFP and added that the system "is a comparatively recent system of regulation" and with "the early cases" took "Uefa and the clubs into unchartered territory".
It said: "Uefa is confident that any apparent inconsistencies that may seem evident to some, have been eliminated as the system has developed and become more familiar to all sides."
Infantino became president of Fifa, world football's governing body, in 2016.
"All decisions on Uefa Financial Fair Play cases are made by the Uefa Club Financial Control Body (CFCB)," said a Fifa statement. "It is an independent body.
"The Uefa administration, which of course includes the general secretary, can assist the CFCB depending on the specific case.
"This may include discussions, meetings, assistance to help find solutions, and other interactions to assist the CFCB in its work. Nonetheless, the CFCB is entirely responsible for their own decisions."
In an interview last week, Infantino spoke in general terms when he said: "My job entails having discussions, having conversations, exchanging documents, drafts, ideas, whatever, on many, many, many, many, topics.
"Otherwise you don't go anywhere. I mean, if I just have to stay in my room and not speak to anyone and cannot do anything, how can I do my job properly?
"So if then this is being portrayed as something bad, I think there's not much I can do more than my job in an honest way, in a professional way and trying to defend the interests of football."
Where did the leaked documents come from?
Der Spiegel says the source of the documents they have obtained is a whistleblower called John, which is not his real name, who founded Football Leaks.
Up to 70 million documents have been provided by Football Leaks and more than 3.4 terabytes of information.
Der Spiegel has shared the information with other media outlets in the European Investigative Collaborations (EIC) consortium, which includes Reuters news agency, the Sunday Times and Spain's El Mundo.
Together, about 80 journalists from 15 media outlets looked at the information provided.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
No more than I would expect, pleased that we don't appear to be in the "elite" group as I would no longer support the club if we joined such a group.
StephenH
David Ginola
I agree. But football and money have always been joined at the hip. To think otherwise is a fantasy.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
I’m not sure how I feel about that, part disappointed, part embarrassed, part worried (how do the stadium finances work without any cat a games, would the PL lose all of the CL places), part relieved as there is a chance it could flop.
If it happens I would hope the remaining PL sides use that season to (at least) force a no return rule so the clubs have to start in non league if they want back in or (preferably) a permanent ban.
Obviously my feelings on that would be reversed if we get invited to the party.
If it happens I would hope the remaining PL sides use that season to (at least) force a no return rule so the clubs have to start in non league if they want back in or (preferably) a permanent ban.
Obviously my feelings on that would be reversed if we get invited to the party.
Big teams playing each other in Europe used to be special games. They have become less so since the Champions League became a cash cow for these clubs, where the same ones make the last 8 year after year. A Super League would just make these games even more run of the mill imo.
As others have said, if they go and in the event they want to come back, they should have to start from the bottom. That or be permanently banned.
As others have said, if they go and in the event they want to come back, they should have to start from the bottom. That or be permanently banned.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
This shows how much modern football has changed since I started going, back then teams relied on local support and there was a sense of pride in their town, now most "top teams" are followed by a worldwide tv fan base desperate for reflected glory and whipped up by media hype. I personal feel the behaviour at matches is as bad as the hooligan era, with many unable to accept defeat or a poor performance without resorting to foul language and boorish attitudes. Could be the death of real football and a copy of the NFL.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
I don’t think you get that from NFL fans, it’s a much friendlier atmosphere.